ok as the title states sportivo or astra?
ive decided to come to my senses and give a go at learning manual....if i succeed i shall buy a new car! but i cant decide which one is better? i personally think the astra (current shape 2 door - similar look to sri turbo) ..what do you guys think?
based on insurance and looks and petrol and power and how long car will last etc.
Thanks!!
Full Version: SPORTIVO OR ASTRA?
I love the look of the asta 2door turbo.. but i reckon it'll b hard to find performance parts for the astras.
If ur planning to keep ur car long term go for toyota, they just keep going and going, how rare is it u see a corolla break down? i've never seen one in my life.!!
But in the end its ur money and ur choice, we cant advise u to buy what car we reckon is good coz one day ull turn around and say what if i bought the other car?
lucky dip it is!!
If ur planning to keep ur car long term go for toyota, they just keep going and going, how rare is it u see a corolla break down? i've never seen one in my life.!!
But in the end its ur money and ur choice, we cant advise u to buy what car we reckon is good coz one day ull turn around and say what if i bought the other car?
lucky dip it is!!
When I was looking for a car my godfather told me to buy a Corolla. That sort of shocked me a bit as the whole family is Holden oriented up there. In saying that, I myself am glad I have this car to this day klara. I'm holding on to it for quite a long time 
If you get over the fact that the sportivo has the 2zzge in it, then I would say the Astra. The sportivo corolla is too old to be honest, a very dated design. But just go for a test drive and find out which one you prefer over all.
If you can't get over the fact that the sportivo has lift then we all understand as well
Unfair comparison if you ask me, should be Sportivo Vs SRI turbo. Which I would chose the SRI straight away. It will have better resale value anyway I think.
If you can't get over the fact that the sportivo has lift then we all understand as well
Unfair comparison if you ask me, should be Sportivo Vs SRI turbo. Which I would chose the SRI straight away. It will have better resale value anyway I think.
It's not that old lol
Manual is so much for more FUN!! lolz
I like the looks of the Astra...but i'd only go the SRi Turbo.
Depending on which car is better, well that's all in the eye of the beholder.
Take an astra for a test drive and see how you go.
As for worrying about reliability issues, well cars past year 2000 are pretty decent and i don't think you'll be keeping a car for 10 years. Both companies have a good parts base, if ever anything were to happen. Holden and Toyota are both good companies in this respect.
So it boils down to your wants and how the two cars cater to them best for you.
Good luck!
I like the looks of the Astra...but i'd only go the SRi Turbo.
Depending on which car is better, well that's all in the eye of the beholder.
Take an astra for a test drive and see how you go.
As for worrying about reliability issues, well cars past year 2000 are pretty decent and i don't think you'll be keeping a car for 10 years.
Both companies have a good parts base, if ever anything were to happen. Holden and Toyota are both good companies in this respect. So it boils down to your wants and how the two cars cater to them best for you.
Good luck!
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I am a mechanic and I work on them all the time. I would say they are one of the most loathed and badly built cars. Ever heard of a timing belt snapping on a toyota at less than 100000Km's or tensioners for belt having to be replaced? Here is some other regular problems that I have seen within my career. Massive electrical sensor prolems. Guarenteed always after timing belt replaced, tensioner problems. Timing belt snapping at 50000Km's - despite holden's 60000km change interval, shock absorber replacement at 26000Kms, exhausts going at 30000Km, premature tyre wear, gear box problems within 100000km's, problems with doors and fuel flaps at young age. Core packs that fail regulalry and are expensive to replace and these are only the ones I can remember.
OVERALL: I have never met a mechanic who is very impressed with them.
OVERALL: I have never met a mechanic who is very impressed with them.
Obviously this is only one opinion that was drafted, but there's others out there slightly similar to this. Reference to the 2004 - current models.
Sorry this was an unofficial review on the Astra. I think a lot of the guys on here would be familiar with the problems on the Corolla's (cheers 'you know who you are'
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I am a mechanic and I work on them all the time. I would say they are one of the most loathed and badly built cars. Ever heard of a timing belt snapping on a toyota at less than 100000Km's or tensioners for belt having to be replaced? Here is some other regular problems that I have seen within my career. Massive electrical sensor prolems. Guarenteed always after timing belt replaced, tensioner problems. Timing belt snapping at 50000Km's - despite holden's 60000km change interval, shock absorber replacement at 26000Kms, exhausts going at 30000Km, premature tyre wear, gear box problems within 100000km's, problems with doors and fuel flaps at young age. Core packs that fail regulalry and are expensive to replace and these are only the ones I can remember.
OVERALL: I have never met a mechanic who is very impressed with them.
OVERALL: I have never met a mechanic who is very impressed with them.
Obviously this is only one opinion that was drafted, but there's others out there slightly similar to this. Reference to the 2004 - current models.
Oh Sh**
....serious? Dat's some seriously scary stuff!
Same wit da SRi Ts?
People need to make up their own decisions ay. I'm not going to sit here and bag something I personally have never driven or owned, but I found it scary when my own Godfather told me to stay away.
My uncle recently bought a 2001 astra and it seems fine however. Second hand though so many of the issues may have already been ironed out.
I dunno, maybe a lot of the guys on here will say 'better the devil you know?'.
I dunno whether Klara would honestly want an SR-i T guys. Wouldn't like to see the cost to insure it.
My uncle recently bought a 2001 astra and it seems fine however. Second hand though so many of the issues may have already been ironed out.
I dunno, maybe a lot of the guys on here will say 'better the devil you know?'.
I dunno whether Klara would honestly want an SR-i T guys. Wouldn't like to see the cost to insure it.
Klara you're around the same age as me and I think a 2-door car would be tough on insurance... Not to mention the SRi T... I reckon the Sportivo is a perfect car and has so many applications. Four doors, reasonable power, reliable, practical, availability of parts etc... The build quality may be down on the Jap spec Corollas but "A Toyota's a Toyota" - my favourite palindrome
If you want something more zippy why not wait until the new TRD Corolla comes out? I dont trust Holden or Ford.
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I dont trust Holden or Ford.
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I dont trust Holden or Ford.
i learnt that the hardway.. and my pocket is alot lighter now...
i was also looking for a small car to replace my ford. ended up getting a Lancer GSR sedan 4wd 1.8turbo. best money spent since the supercharged ae82 corolla!
Ford's spirit needs to match their build quality at times. 1970's Ford needs to make a comeback. That's when a Falcon was a tought as nuts, simplistic torque machine (reference to the immortal 351).
However it will never be the same. Technology is king now, and the Japanese seem to be the masters of this across the board (Germans seem to specialise in the top end market).
However it will never be the same. Technology is king now, and the Japanese seem to be the masters of this across the board (Germans seem to specialise in the top end market).
i havnt been in the Astras but if had the money, ide probly get an SRi turbo, they look so sexy. But instead i chose to also get a sportivo. Uncle always told me, get a corolla, most reliable car ever, so i did, and so far so good, only had it for a week though, not 2 mention its fast enough for me.
BTW manual is so fun, i switched from Auto and am basically mastering manual on the rolla, but its awsome
BTW manual is so fun, i switched from Auto and am basically mastering manual on the rolla, but its awsome
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i havnt been in the Astras but if had the money, ide probly get an SRi turbo, they look so sexy. But instead i chose to also get a sportivo. Uncle always told me, get a corolla, most reliable car ever, so i did, and so far so good, only had it for a week though, not 2 mention its fast enough for me.
BTW manual is so fun, i switched from Auto and am basically mastering manual on the rolla, but its awsome
BTW manual is so fun, i switched from Auto and am basically mastering manual on the rolla, but its awsome
x2 the Astra is indeed a sex mobile in terms of styling.
Best 4 door hatch I've seen tbh is the sportivo hands down.
two different cars the sportivo and the SRi...
however the astra appeals to me more, though not necessary the best value for money.
however the astra appeals to me more, though not necessary the best value for money.
astra if u dont car about power, astra i reckon is better if power not matters, it looks good, its new, and kinda classy interior
Astra = Euro= $ & Trouble
I was looking at getting one before the Camry and heard nothing good from Mechanics.
I was looking at getting one before the Camry and heard nothing good from Mechanics.
i personally think the astras are ugly. and they have a timing belt? timing chain ftw! (ie rolla 
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yes they are european which means $$ as someone else said.
Klara, i think u said u were under 20??? any 2 door car u get is considered a sports car so insurance will be twice what you are paying on the corolla now.
stick with something 4 door.
)yes they are european which means $$ as someone else said.
Klara, i think u said u were under 20??? any 2 door car u get is considered a sports car so insurance will be twice what you are paying on the corolla now.
stick with something 4 door.
Having owned a Sportivo, and now an Astra SRiT. I do think they both have their own strenghts. The Sportivo was a fun car because of the noise and people didnt expect it from a Corolla.
The Astra however has the best quality interior and overall finish out of the 2. As for power the Sportivo has 141kW and the Astra SRiT has 147kW. So almost identicle, but the Astra has it over the Sportivo because the power is there down low, but you have to wait for the power in the Sportivo. As for looks, i much prefer the look of the Astra to the Sportivo.
In the end it comes down to what you prefer Klara, and what you are willing to pay.
When modifying the Astra performance parts are becoming more readily available. I know that Walkinshaw Performance in Melbourne have parts for the SRiT, including exhaust, CAI and lowering springs. And there is always Ebay.... Check out www.opelaus.com if you have any questions. Here are some pics i have of both my cars, just to help you choose
The Astra however has the best quality interior and overall finish out of the 2. As for power the Sportivo has 141kW and the Astra SRiT has 147kW. So almost identicle, but the Astra has it over the Sportivo because the power is there down low, but you have to wait for the power in the Sportivo. As for looks, i much prefer the look of the Astra to the Sportivo.
In the end it comes down to what you prefer Klara, and what you are willing to pay.
When modifying the Astra performance parts are becoming more readily available. I know that Walkinshaw Performance in Melbourne have parts for the SRiT, including exhaust, CAI and lowering springs. And there is always Ebay.... Check out www.opelaus.com if you have any questions. Here are some pics i have of both my cars, just to help you choose
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i personally think the astras are ugly. and they have a timing belt? timing chain ftw! (ie rolla )
yes they are european which means $$ as someone else said.
Klara, i think u said u were under 20??? any 2 door car u get is considered a sports car so insurance will be twice what you are paying on the corolla now.
stick with something 4 door.
)yes they are european which means $$ as someone else said.
Klara, i think u said u were under 20??? any 2 door car u get is considered a sports car so insurance will be twice what you are paying on the corolla now.
stick with something 4 door.
They have a timing chain....
Just because they are Euro, doesnt mean that they are expensive. Service's are comparable to the Corolla.
I am 21 the insurance on my Sportivo was $1600 through RACQ. With the Astra i am paying $1400, go figure
*Starts humping ash's old tivo*
wow!!! so mani opinions.....BUt i didnt say i wantd sri turbo lol i said a 2 door but that looks SIMILAR to the sri with the body kit n all that jaz. neway i gave manual a go n im never sitting in a drivers seat of a manual car ever again! i did pretty good for my first go BUT coming from auto i was a lead foot and kept revvin the ***** out of the car and stalled it a few time and the clutch - damn that things annoying. all my dreams r shattered now 
manual looks like fun but i dont think i have any more patience and i dont have a manual car in the family to practice on i practiced on my bfs car which was ever scarier haha.
manual looks like fun but i dont think i have any more patience and i dont have a manual car in the family to practice on i practiced on my bfs car which was ever scarier haha.
What about a WV Gold TDI?
With petrol prices as they are, turbo diesel may be a good option.
With petrol prices as they are, turbo diesel may be a good option.
i want an auto convirtable now .....unda 22k....any options?
Mark 2 or 3 golf cabriolet for that money...
MX5... older one
SRI turbo girl!!!!!
*Continues humping Sportivo*
Went kinda off topic since I mentioned it, so apologies to all.
I think its better if you get people to give you suggestions rather then ask them to help you decide. Cause it will just be topic bashing anything that is not a Toyota.
I think its better if you get people to give you suggestions rather then ask them to help you decide. Cause it will just be topic bashing anything that is not a Toyota.
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MX5... older one
I 2nd that...Proclaimed one of the best damned driver's cars...n really hot da ladies too!! But its gotta be Manual!!
lol!! sorry auto aint hot what does that make me? my parents hate holden i suggested astra conv n they gave me dirtys!!!! and i showd em a merc n they winked at me wtf!!! i cnt afford a merc haha. argggghhhh i looked at mx5 but the old shape is very tiny and ugly....parents hate it.
what does that make me? my parents hate holden i suggested astra conv n they gave me dirtys!!!! and i showd em a merc n they winked at me wtf!!! i cnt afford a merc haha. argggghhhh i looked at mx5 but the old shape is very tiny and ugly....parents hate it.
Your going to have to raise your budget if you want a sports looking convertable that looks good.
i agree about the mx, it doesnt look to nice. Thought about getting away from the sports car look?
With a budget of 22k and wanting a soft top heaps of girls turn to the suzuki vitara. It's a fun looking car/4x4.
i agree about the mx, it doesnt look to nice. Thought about getting away from the sports car look?
With a budget of 22k and wanting a soft top heaps of girls turn to the suzuki vitara. It's a fun looking car/4x4.
Well given that we'll all end up being labelled as arrogant one-siders, Nelson and I have decided to remove ourselves from this thread.
*Wave*
*Wave*
i reckon if you have 22k in cash lying around then keep your rolla and go and put a deposit down on a house cos thats gonna be worth a lot more to you in the long run.
yes having an awesome car is a good thing but really its not that important... its just a car, it gets you from here to there and thats it. sure having a convertable makes u the coolest person on the block but there are a big downsides as well... such as the noise a convertible makes, and also that its twice as cold than a normal car even when the roof is up.
please dont go thinking that im an old fart (im only 21!!) that is trying to tell u not to have fun.. by all means do so... i think a new model corolla is an awesome car to have for someone your age... i'm gonna guess u have the newest car out of all your friends, or close to at least.
stick the money into a bank account that will get u a decent amount of interest... by the time you have to start working full time, you'll be halfway towards owning a house, and you'll be laughing. thats more than most 40 year olds can say, and you'll be in your early 20's. i dunno, its late, and i'm rambling, but it all makes sense to me. 
yes having an awesome car is a good thing but really its not that important... its just a car, it gets you from here to there and thats it. sure having a convertable makes u the coolest person on the block but there are a big downsides as well... such as the noise a convertible makes, and also that its twice as cold than a normal car even when the roof is up.
please dont go thinking that im an old fart (im only 21!!) that is trying to tell u not to have fun.. by all means do so... i think a new model corolla is an awesome car to have for someone your age... i'm gonna guess u have the newest car out of all your friends, or close to at least.
stick the money into a bank account that will get u a decent amount of interest... by the time you have to start working full time, you'll be halfway towards owning a house, and you'll be laughing. thats more than most 40 year olds can say, and you'll be in your early 20's. i dunno, its late, and i'm rambling, but it all makes sense to me.
$22k aint gonna get you jack for a deposit on a house in Sydney.
Unit maybe... but those dont appreciate in value very much,
Throw it in some managed funds instead
Unit maybe... but those dont appreciate in value very much,
Throw it in some managed funds instead
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$22k aint gonna get you jack for a deposit on a house in Sydney.
Unit maybe... but those dont appreciate in value very much,
Throw it in some managed funds instead
Unit maybe... but those dont appreciate in value very much,
Throw it in some managed funds instead
i didnt mean immediately... although these days its not hard to get yourself a 100% home loan.
bank it, and let it appreciate in value
Sportivo, Astra or House?
My advice would be to not impulse buy. Stick the money in a high interest account and hum and hah over what car you want. If your anything like me you will have aspirations for a different car each week
My advice would be to not impulse buy. Stick the money in a high interest account and hum and hah over what car you want. If your anything like me you will have aspirations for a different car each week
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i reckon if you have 22k in cash lying around then keep your rolla and go and put a deposit down on a house cos thats gonna be worth a lot more to you in the long run.
yes having an awesome car is a good thing but really its not that important... its just a car, it gets you from here to there and thats it. sure having a convertable makes u the coolest person on the block but there are a big downsides as well... such as the noise a convertible makes, and also that its twice as cold than a normal car even when the roof is up.
please dont go thinking that im an old fart (im only 21!!) that is trying to tell u not to have fun.. by all means do so... i think a new model corolla is an awesome car to have for someone your age... i'm gonna guess u have the newest car out of all your friends, or close to at least.
stick the money into a bank account that will get u a decent amount of interest... by the time you have to start working full time, you'll be halfway towards owning a house, and you'll be laughing. thats more than most 40 year olds can say, and you'll be in your early 20's. i dunno, its late, and i'm rambling, but it all makes sense to me.
yes having an awesome car is a good thing but really its not that important... its just a car, it gets you from here to there and thats it. sure having a convertable makes u the coolest person on the block but there are a big downsides as well... such as the noise a convertible makes, and also that its twice as cold than a normal car even when the roof is up.
please dont go thinking that im an old fart (im only 21!!) that is trying to tell u not to have fun.. by all means do so... i think a new model corolla is an awesome car to have for someone your age... i'm gonna guess u have the newest car out of all your friends, or close to at least.
stick the money into a bank account that will get u a decent amount of interest... by the time you have to start working full time, you'll be halfway towards owning a house, and you'll be laughing. thats more than most 40 year olds can say, and you'll be in your early 20's. i dunno, its late, and i'm rambling, but it all makes sense to me.
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Sportivo, Astra or House?
My advice would be to not impulse buy. Stick the money in a high interest account and hum and hah over what car you want. If your anything like me you will have aspirations for a different car each week
My advice would be to not impulse buy. Stick the money in a high interest account and hum and hah over what car you want. If your anything like me you will have aspirations for a different car each week
Best posts in thread.
Keep the rolla and invest your funds FTW!!!
Buy a badger??? Don't they increase in value the older they get?? (Looking Nelson's direction)
QUOTE(Ashs Red Rolla @ May 26 2007, 03:23 AM) [snapback]177862[/snapback]
As for power the Sportivo has 141kW and the Astra SRiT has 147kW. So almost identicle, but the Astra has it over the Sportivo because the power is there down low, but you have to wait for the power in the Sportivo.
well if u consider that the astra is turbo'd and the stivo isnt i would go the stivo.
therefore im pointing towards stivo....wouldnt the insurance be less cause its a non turbo car, seeing as shes a younger driver (below 25) ?
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QUOTE(Ashs Red Rolla @ May 26 2007, 03:23 AM) [snapback]177862[/snapback]
As for power the Sportivo has 141kW and the Astra SRiT has 147kW. So almost identicle, but the Astra has it over the Sportivo because the power is there down low, but you have to wait for the power in the Sportivo.
well if u consider that the astra is turbo'd and the stivo isnt i would go the stivo.
therefore im pointing towards stivo....wouldnt the insurance be less cause its a non turbo car, seeing as shes a younger driver (below 25) ?
The Astra, being turbo, would be easier to squeeze more power out of. And the insurance on my Astra is $200 cheaper then my Sportivo... I dont understand why, but it is.....
The Sportivo is more individual i think, but the Astra is sexier, im my opinion
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The Astra, being turbo, would be easier to squeeze more power out of. And the insurance on my Astra is $200 cheaper then my Sportivo... I dont understand why, but it is.....
The Sportivo is more individual i think, but the Astra is sexier, im my opinion
The Sportivo is more individual i think, but the Astra is sexier, im my opinion
and considering you are a 21yo male with a turbo car, you've got a good price on insurance, mine is more expensive than that
we both know that we'd both go back to a stivo... but the opels are just built.. i have no rattles, i have no gear changing issues.... it just works
but i'd go back in an instant because of the Lift tho
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Buy a badger??? Don't they increase in value the older they get?? (Looking Nelson's direction)
The badger has proven to be the most sacred and guarded secret of the toyota modder. When the said badger is blessed by a Toyota holy man (usually the CEO of Toyota Japan [Katsuaki Watanabe]) it is then available for fitment to the car. This can be done in any fashion, ie: sticky tape, blu tac, uhu tac, yello tac etc. However after experimenting Dylan and I found that the most effective way of adhering it is via a 'stapler'. Once this blessed diety of a badger is stapled to the specific toyota, the car 'comes to life' so to speak. It is very common to see even an old KE30 corolla running on 3 cylinders doing 10 second quarter miles with the token 'diety badger' stapled to the hood. This is the reasoning behind their price and increased value with age.
"The badger is humble and wise, follow the badger." - Katsuaki Watanabe, Toyota Japan CEO
Ps: Klara save up for a house, every bit counts.
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QUOTE(micky_tee @ May 26 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]177963[/snapback]
i reckon if you have 22k in cash lying around then keep your rolla and go and put a deposit down on a house cos thats gonna be worth a lot more to you in the long run.
QUOTE(SuperDave @ May 27 2007, 08:16 AM) [snapback]177986[/snapback]
Sportivo, Astra or House?
My advice would be to not impulse buy. Stick the money in a high interest account and hum and hah over what car you want. If your anything like me you will have aspirations for a different car each week
My advice would be to not impulse buy. Stick the money in a high interest account and hum and hah over what car you want. If your anything like me you will have aspirations for a different car each week
Best posts in thread.
Yep totally agree.
omg this thread is useless hehe!! i didnt say i wantd n sri turbo nor did i say i had 22k just floating around? ........ silly billys!!
Keep current car. Save for house. Buy badger.
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