Hello everone,

This is my first post, so im going to give you guys abit of intro.
My name is Leon, recently bought a 05 Corolla Sportvio im starting to love it. I was intentionally buying a DC2R, purely becuase of their handeling. But so hard to find a good condition.

From reading most of the threads this forum, you guys are all into power/kw.

When i bought the rolla, it had a cat back 2.5 inch exhaust,. All it did was making noise, so chuck it away and put back the standard one back on. After putting the standard one back on, the car feel much more responsive. When i had the exhaust it takes forever to reach redline. BUt now is so much smother, absolutly luving it.

I myself dont really care much about power, what i like is the response and handeling of the car. I want to old pac a couple of times with my corolla and i can say the handeling is not bad at all. Sure there is alot of bodyroll but i can feel the chasis can take it. The tyres arent bad either, good wet tyres.

I be taking the rolla soon to wakefield.

So what are you guys into?

I'm into handling, and now I know it is far worth doing handling first than anything else - especially when the engine is already powerful enough.

im definitely a handling gimp

you'll find that stockvvti is too, ha ha ha

thats y we rocking the cuscos

northys more of a power gimp imo hehehe even tho he has cuscos too

I think is time for a track day

twisties
my car will never go on a dyno or drags

Handling.......its always nice ot have a responsive car that does what you want it to do...than to have one that has heaps of power...and just end up in the gutter becasue it doesnt' turn when u want it to...

im into both as im also sitting on cusco's

much prefer handling

more concern about handling...

handling!

blah, clearly i have the wrong car, I definitely take preference in power over handling, although I do enjoy a vehicle with good handling, but it means nothing if the car goes like a lawnmower in a straight line.

Nothing beats the luxury of being pinned back in your seat when you plant the accelerator, although i do have respect for a nice long 180 degree drift at 100 kmh, which isnt really handling because good handling shouldnt really drift...

Im into power!

but who says you cant have a mix!!!

darnn...

stick with the response and handling

i believe ur in syd? since u mention wakefield..

You are half right.

If you have good suspension set up, you can go in and out of the corner much quicker.

In APPC
Wakefield lap records
class C Leanne Ferrier (Toyota Corolla Sportivo) 1:13.0843 08/08/2004
In his class the engine and brake has to be stock. All he has is suspension set up and semi slicks, This prove you dont need power to make the car go fast.

In comaprsionm i have a 02 STI with 231kw @4ws with no suspension work and road tyres, i only manage 1:16.

Um... Leanne Ferrier is a woman isnt she?

Sounds like a female name!

Man you should do better than that with your STI!!!

...is a 180 degree drift a spin where you end up facing where you came from?? easy to do in a FWD corolla with lift off oversteer in abundance when you're pushing hard, also easy to do in a WRX...

I prefer power and handling, no point having one without the other.

yes she is a female... lol

yes i should, but im not a pro.

The thing with 4wd is they intend to have alot of understeel, i can not go in the corner as quick, otherwise i would steel out of the track. The 1480kg doesnt help either.

the understeer is easy to fix. If you've spent money upgrading your motor, you might aswell spend some on the suspension.

U understand! il show you how its done! my mate South Africa has a Audi RS4 quattro and a E46 BMW 330i and he taught me a few tricks with 4 wheel drive and rear wheel. Easy in tap off in the corner foot flat drift slide looks almost as good as ricky ponting in a full strech dive going for a catch.

If you do that in every corner you will shave off 5-10 sec on your time!!

the suspension is already been fix. I was just comparing when the car has stock suspensiuon.

Im now running
Tein HA coilover
Cussco front and rear struct brace
Cussco lower arm bar 2
Cussco Front and rear sawy bar
Csssco control arms

Next think i need to change is the nature links and cussco tarmac centre diff.

if you tune your current suspension correctly there should be negligable understeer when driven properly.

I had a set of custom fulcrum coilovers, stock front bar, adjustable whiteline rear bar and antilift kit on my rex and it had neutral handling, prior to the upgrade it had push understeer due to not having the LSD the STI has stock which can pull you through the corner when you accelerate.

let me guess, your corolla is white and you bought it off a guy called Justin...

Anyway, let us know when you take it out to Wakefield as I'm always up for a run. My stivo is lapping in 1:17s with only lowering (on stock shocks) + AEM CAI and CES racing exhaust.

Can I ask wher you picked up the Cusco front strut brace (or it that in the Rex?) as I saw one on E-bay a while back but could not afford it at the time and haven't seen once since. It's the best looking one I've seen .

[quote name='rollamods' date='Jan 17 2006, 02:31 PM' post='64888'

I prefer power and handling, no point having one without the other.
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My motto ..... can't have power without handling.


Did you sell the exhaust system that was on your car?? The guy who owned it payed a fortune for that system so I'm told but never had a dyno or anything like that to see if it did make any gains.

U understand! il show you how its done! my mate South Africa has a Audi RS4 quattro and a E46 BMW 330i and he taught me a few tricks with 4 wheel drive and rear wheel. In easy in tap off in the corner foot flat drift slide looks almost as good as ricky ponting in a full strech dive going for a catch.

If you do that in every corner you will shave off 5-10 sec on your time!!
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Dude...what the hell are you on about man??? Can you explain your sh!t better!

I mean...what the hell...has Ricky Ponting diving for a catch...got to do with Corollas handling?!?!

And what does...''In easy in tap off in the corner'' suppose to mean man?!?! Is that South African talk???

he's saying by tapping off the accelerator durinng cornering and then fully pressing the gas result in powerslide through corner to battle understeer due to sudden off and on grip during cornering.

[quote name='In_D_Major' date='Jan 17 2006, 08:25 PM' post='64943']
U understand! il show you how its done! my mate South Africa has a Audi RS4 quattro and a E46 BMW 330i and he taught me a few tricks with 4 wheel drive and rear wheel. Easy in tap off in the corner foot flat drift slide looks almost as good as ricky ponting in a full strech dive going for a catch.

If you do that in every corner you will shave off 5-10 sec on your time!!
[/quote]


Dude...what the hell are you on about man??? Can you explain your sh!t better!

I mean...what the hell...has Ricky Ponting diving for a catch...got to do with Corollas handling?!?!

And what does...''Easy in tap off in the corner'' suppose to mean man?!?! Is that South African talk???
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Get a reading aid!!!


[quote name='Danz' post='64950' date='Jan 17 2006, 09:38 PM']
he's saying by tapping off the accelerator durinng cornering and then fully pressing the gas result in powerslide through corner to battle understeer due to sudden off and on grip during cornering.
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Thanks you At least someone understands!!

rollamods - Yes you are right, the front LSD helps alot when existing the corner.

Blue_Stivo- yes i bought it from justin, Top guy . I havent start spending money on the car yet. Not sure if i really wanted to, because i inten to use it as daily. Otherwise there is no point buying this car.
1.17 is a excellent time, with those mods. , i be going somewhere in feburary, i probally post up a eoi in the event section if anyone wants to go.



SILVABULLIT - Luv your moto . Balance is everthing
I bought the the cat and pipe off justin and gave him back the muffler. IMO justin pay too much for the system. I dont think it did anything, maybe has more top end and the finish wasnt great either. Change back to the original muffer, much beter response.

B A L A N C E

I love twisties (And always on the hunt for new ones!) and I think that a car with well sorted suspension and brakes will ultimately be more enjoyable than one with more outright power.

At the same time I think engine power also has a part to play in the way the car behaves. So you always need to take a balanced approach.

damn thats fast!!!!!! very fast and impressive lap time..
and about much faster entering and exiting corner with good sussy set up is definately true

Thats right Although I have never managed to oversteer my 1zz on stock suspension, the SOB just won't lose the rear, instead it will just roll around and/or understeer. Once i get the sussy done in 6 months time it should be easier to do as the chassis will be less prone to roll which should divert the pressure to the tyres.

sub11z - I was more referring to my preference in daily driving, moreso than which vehicle i would prefer to take around a track. If you are talking about a track environment, handling is much more fun, because on many tracks you cannot use high powered cars (your insane rex for example).

Yes, on small tracks you will find that the gap between a hi-po vehicle and a low powered one is considerably smaller because the hi-po vehicle will not have enough tarmac to exploit its full potential. This is the case on many Australian tracks.

I know the feeling..i'm on stock suspension as well..the amount of understeer and body roll is just annoying...arrggh...can't wait till i change my suspension.....

so there are no nice wide tracks here?

i think they mean the length of the track not the width. i think they're saying that australian race tracks have very short straights and many corners so power is not as much of an advantage.

Oh ok! well then they are definatly not suited to rollas!

What??? conrod straight is too short???? I think that a Stivo around Phillip Island would be pretty quick with the longer straights and flowing corners.

The Sportivo ain't exactly a rocket when it comes to speed. It has plenty of power for what it is but many other early/late model cars would lay waste to it in the speed dept.

You should see some of the tracks in Europe...when i was younger i went to a few. Tracks in australia are like midgets compared to those over in Europe. Much longer straights and higher speed corners.

i miss our tracks in South Africa.

haha i meant to say excluding conrod. would love to drive around Phillip Island, one of my favourites tracks