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krigeroz

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14 minutes ago, krigeroz said:

The spanner just doesn't hold a good grip, due to the round edge of the pan

Yes, that is why it is a pain to undo. I recall that I was able to use a ring spanner to initially loosen the bolt just a very little bit. Then it was a frustrating process using the open end of the spanner to loosen it a bit more. Finally went searching and located a very thin/minature sized 10mm spanner which finished off loosening it enough so I could then use fingers.

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1 hour ago, campbeam said:

Yes, that is why it is a pain to undo. I recall that I was able to use a ring spanner to initially loosen the bolt just a very little bit. Then it was a frustrating process using the open end of the spanner to loosen it a bit more. Finally went searching and located a very thin/minature sized 10mm spanner which finished off loosening it enough so I could then use fingers.

How  would they do it at Toyota service, in the same way as us :)) ?

Now I can see that actually not many people have done it, taking off the transmission pan in Aurion :) 

And I also think that my chances pretty low at the moment unless I get some kind of a low profile spanner.

I was thinking if you can insert another nut on top of this 10mm bolt  in order raise it up a bit and then take it off with the spanner from the side...

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33 minutes ago, krigeroz said:

How  would they do it at Toyota service, in the same way as us :)) ?

Based upon previous posts by other Forum members, Toyota service refers to it as an oil strainer not as an oil filter. Hence not on their servicing schedule to be replaced [my conspiracy theory] . Most likely there is a more time-consuming method e.g. removal of sub-frame member.

I understand that Toyota Service will only change the transmission fluid at the specific request of the owner. Quite different if it is specifically stated on the servicing schedule for that particular model vehicle.

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On 10/6/2017 at 12:10 PM, campbeam said:

Based upon previous posts by other Forum members, Toyota service refers to it as an oil strainer not as an oil filter. Hence not on their servicing schedule to be replaced [my conspiracy theory] . Most likely there is a more time-consuming method e.g. removal of sub-frame member.

When we pour back ATF, where does it go, to the  transmission itself or back to the pan?

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Take off passenger wheel, there is a small plastic panel towards the front of car from the drive shaft. Behind that is a big bolt / plug, from memory it was about 22mm. It has WS on it. Thats the refill plug.

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On 06/10/2017 at 12:10 PM, campbeam said:

Based upon previous posts by other Forum members, Toyota service refers to it as an oil strainer not as an oil filter. Hence not on their servicing schedule to be replaced [my conspiracy theory] . Most likely there is a more time-consuming method e.g. removal of sub-frame member.

I understand that Toyota Service will only change the transmission fluid at the specific request of the owner. Quite different if it is specifically stated on the servicing schedule for that particular model vehicle.

Ok I got the pan, down just now, all together with the filter, I got 3.25L of ATF it is above 2.8L. What should I do, put back 3.25L or 2.8L ???

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15 minutes ago, krigeroz said:

Ok I got the pan, down just now, all together with the filter, I got 3.25L of ATF it is above 2.8L. What should I do, put back 3.25L or 2.8L ???

Put back what you've taken out.

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I would be inclined to add an extra 100ml. Do a test drive and check that gear changes are still smooth and there are no leaks.

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So is changing whatever oil pours out (30%) going to be beneficial? Do these transmissions have a history of failing at a certain amount of kms? I ask because i was going to have this done at my next service, but dont want to throw money away for nothing

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Ok... :smile:

I've been thinking to make a custom key.... then I've thought to try and hold and turn the key right upwards... because I just did not feel like raising and lowering the engine :wacko:.

So if you hold your key in that position you will have a good chance to turn that bolt!!!

I did  not replaced the gasket, to me it was like new.

I was very surprised by the amount of ATF I got out, very surprised...

The new filter I filled with ATF, just to soak the paper, which is inside and drained the rest back.

I will put back 3.25L plus 50ml extra as that's how much it is probably was around the pan and the drain bucket.

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MetalHead,

Have another read of the posting by ZZT86 on September 21 [Page 3 of this thread] where he details his discussion with Penrite. This is consistent with internet postings by transmission shops recommending regular servicing of the transmission every 2-3 years or 40-50,000kms.

I replaced the ATF in the transmission pan last weekend and did it again yesterday morning.

There is a history of transmissions failing if they are not serviced after the ATF has reached the end of its useful life. This is why it was a high priority for my 2006 ATX with about 166,000kms on the odometer at that time. There is also a history of transmission issues after owners do a ATF change and get the transmission fluid level wrong. It is not a basic DIY task so better to pay an experienced Toyota transmission specialist rather than getting an expensive repair bill. 

 

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On 08/10/2017 at 7:24 PM, campbeam said:

 

There is a history of transmissions failing if they are not serviced after the ATF has reached the end of its useful life. This is why it was a high priority for my 2006 ATX with about 166,000kms on the odometer at that time. There is also a history of transmission issues after owners do a ATF change and get the transmission fluid level wrong. It is not a basic DIY task so better to pay an experienced Toyota transmission specialist rather than getting an expensive repair bill. 

 

I have done the pan drop on my 2aurions and have then done several drain and refills. Its pretty basic. Especially the drain and refill is only as hard as an oil change. 

Also look on toyota nation at the therads on V6 camrys, lots of people have done it. People panic and stress about it, yes it is an expensive part of a car to break but measuring what comes out and replacing the same amount of fluid just isnt hard.

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Heh, I had a mild penny drop moment at work yesterday about that evil bolt - why not replace it with a socket cap bolt? Lot easier to get a ball-end allen key up in that space, but as I haven't done the pan drop on this current Aurion of mine I can't remember if there's any limitations to doing that.
 

 

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8 hours ago, LordBug said:

why not replace it with a socket cap bolt? Lot easier to get a ball-end allen key up in that space

Good idea. If it works then it will make removing the transmission pan a simple task as it should have been if that sub-member was not there to restrict access to that bolt. Have to remember to have one of these bolts when I next do the transmission filter in about 2 years time.

At the time, I thought about using a longer bolt and a larger sized nut so that the bolt head would end up being raised above the outside lip of the pan thus easier to undo. Unfortunately, I could not find my collection of spare bolts and nuts at that time. Ended up not tightening that problem bolt too hard.

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The socket cap bolt was Lord Bug's inspirational thought. I am expecting the bolt size to be M6 with a thread of  1.0

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Easiest way to work it out would be to remove one of the easy to access bolts and visit a fastener shop and get them to match it up.
 

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Ok, I just went to my local fastener shop and they gave me M6 x 12mm for $1, by the end of the week I'll try to see if it fits or not. To me it looks like a good match.

You can get it here as well just select M6 x 12mm, note, it is without the washer.

 

And another thing is that I opened the pan again and got out another 850ml of ATF.  All together I have 4.1L to be replaced.  So far I raised car about 3 times. Every time you raise the car you get  about 500 to 800ml of ATF. 

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I also just realised that my new ATF  replacement filter did come with the rubber ring and I thought that I've forgot to place it, however once I put it on, the filter was not going in, so I placed the filter without the rubber ring. That's why I was removing the pan again.

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Appreciate the information about the M6 bolt and the photos.

My replacement filter kit did not include the rubber ring so I reused the existing one. Possibly the small ring gasket that comes with the engine filter kit is the right size otherwise I will have to get one for the next transmission filter change.

From memory, I think that the rubber ring stayed in place on the transmission when I removed the existing filter.I also had a bit of fun trying to fit the new filter with the rubber ring on it. Sure that I ended up pushing the rubber ring all the way down and then bolting up the filter.   Do remember reading that this rubber ring is necessary to have a proper seal for the filter to work. Bit hazy about whether or not having the rubber ring in place can impact upon the gear changes.

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Ok, finally I've assembled everything in one piece! 

I've managed to put back the rubber ring, at then end I got around 4.35L of ATF and I put back 4.4L. In order to get that amount of ATF, I jacked the car about four times. 

I've used the garden hose for pouring the ATF, which is 12mm in diameter and it fits perfectly.  

You don't need to raise the engine! Just apply my method, hold the key upwards and turn with the spanner on the other end, that's all you need to do, to open that bolt. And do the same to screw it back in. 

If you want to get more ATF just lift your car a few times and wait for about 30 min in between.

To open the ATF bolt you will need 24mm deep socket drive.

And I want to encourage everyone to change their ATF, there's nothing to worry about, If I did it, means you can do it as well. After doing this DIY I've also build the confidence with servicing my own car. :wink:

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I use a 24mm ring spanner to loosen the fill plug and retighten using the German specification Guttentieten.

Nice torque wrench. It pays to invest in quality tools.

Good that you have been particular about measuring the volumes of ATF.

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6 hours ago, campbeam said:

I use a 24mm ring spanner to loosen the fill plug and retighten using the German specification Guttentieten.

Nice torque wrench. It pays to invest in quality tools.

Good that you have been particular about measuring the volumes of ATF.

I got that wrench from Aldi for $30 and it is very good quality. 

And thank you and all others for helping out :wink:

 

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