stronger engine for my 2002 hilux body

[Matias Charme]

wich engine could be better than the hilux 3.0td, maybe a landcruiser engine, but is not to bigg?,

i been chasin this subject for a long time, i dont know it to try to improve mi allready existing engine or straight away change it for a stronger one.

[(mr2)]

Whats your budget and what are you expecting out of it?

Do you do a lot of four wheel driving, need it for towing?

[Manxman]

try going slower, it's the cheapest option.

[Matias Charme]

i need it for towing, a close friend told me the engine is strong enough, so i'm following his directions, i'm gettin a new turbo, a water to air intercooler, 3 inch exhaust and a chip, i think that with all that is enough for towing a medium size caravan.

i'm all good on the exhaust, i allready bought it. i need to buy the turbo and the intercooler, if you have any info on who makes the best turbos and intercoolers here in australia, i't would be a good start, i've seen a new turbo upgrade (MAMBA) on ebay. and a intercooler on turboaustralia.com.

[trentmeyer23]

if you have any info on who makes the best turbos and intercoolers here in australia, i't would be a good start, i've seen a new turbo upgrade (MAMBA) on ebay. and a intercooler on turboaustralia.com.

Not ebay, if you are looking there, your aren't looking for the "best". Contact Sonic Performance/MTQ Engine systems.

[Matias Charme]

what do you think about mambatek i found a mambatek turbocharger for my engine.

[trentmeyer23]

what do you think about mambatek i found a mambatek turbocharger for my engine.

Looks like a cheap Chinese turbo. Do as I said above, the guys know what they are talking about.

[Matias Charme]

sweet i send them an email, and in terms of intercooling and the chip, i've never used a chip before any thoughts on that?

the budget is no problem, i'm trying to make the perfect hilux. hahaha

[(mr2)]

Sorry, but if the budget wasn't a problem you wouldn't be looking at Ebay turbos.

If you seriously want to spend some coin on your 4wd do into a 4wd workshop that offers upgrades such as intercooler setups, exhausts and chips and see what they have to offer. This way you are dealing with someone who (Should) know what they are doing and can offer you local service.

[Matias Charme]

i'm not from here i don't know where to look thats the hole point of my topic. but thanks for the info.

[Manxman]

i grow tired of saying this, If your engine has an iron head======DON'T!!!!! Toyota built a new engine to turbo the 3.0 class---with VERY good reason. Hiuxes don't last long if used for towing boats at speed, or any other big hi windage loads. These days, ONLY a 'Cruiser or similar has the body and motor strong enough to do that job. You have to slow down somewhat, or you spend too much on fuel, and put your drive train at risk, let alone yourself and passengers from anything untoward happening. Get the right vehicle for the job, don't try and do it on the cheap. It will cost, or you may have to do it differently - like hire the tow car when you need it, and drive something modest for the rest of the year, or give up towing.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Manxman

[Matias Charme]

it was not even a boat it is a caravan (1800 kilos) , but the problem is doin it at high speed?? or towing is the problem??, i remember traveled with a small 2.3 petrol 1998 rodeo more than 3000kilometers on a 3 month trip across the long on of Chile in southamerica towing a 1500k caravan for 5 people, and the truck behaved well. i rekn if i keep the engine all good with a good intercooler system it shouldn't have an issue.

i would have bought the crusier but they don't com on dual cab until 2010 and those new engines i dont trust them that hard

the thing is that new hiluxes don't last as much as hiluxes from 05> and they are way to heavy.

[Manxman]

Caravan: Hi drag object normally, speed is the problem-requiring constant hi horsepower to drag it along. the mass is less of a problem, except on long/steep slopes. Drag increases at the cube of change of speed. Iron head motors later than 2L should not be turboed for more power--they cannot take the extra heat. Sadly, there aren't many current vehicles which will do the job well. The hilux will tow the van at modest speeds ok, provided you check the diff/rear axle for wear first, and if frequent towing, shorten your gearbox/diff service interval. I would recommend a cruising speed near 80kph for a hi windage load, to protect your motor and bank ballance. Slow even more with headwinds. Please run an oil pressure gauge, because if the motor overheats, the first thing you'll see is a drop in oil pressure. There is limited time to act to protect your motor once that happens. Keep the oil topped up, this will help keep the oil cool. Consider a bypass oil filter if frequent towing or frequent full boost running. You can calculate your approximate power output from your fuel consumption. 3.3KWHr/Liter. a 3.0 diesel hilux should get around 10km/L @ 100kph without load. So you can estimate that 40KW is enough for a d'cab to cruise at 100kph empty as a baseline. All extra power/fuel beyond that is heat to pull the load, and it has to go somewhere, or build up motor temp. NB some of the later D4D motors have their own problems with injector seal failure, resulting in a blocked oil pickup if not watched closely. other posts discuss this.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Manxman

[Matias Charme]

ok ok i think i've got all the engine turbo and intercooler figured out, what about the suspension???, you know oztec??? feel free of makin any opinion on this one, i was thinkin about EFS but i friend told me that oztec is better

[Matias Charme]

ok ok this is the proposed set up

gcg turbo:

-garret gtx28 or gtx29(i haven't make the choice yet)( the 29 it performance better on higher rpm) (28 it performance better between 1000 and 2500) the guy that i talked to said that the 28 would be better for the towin situation.

-intercooler system( allows winch on the front)

-fit kit

....

-safari snorkel( does it make any performance difference if i get a standar snorkel)( 400 aud diference)

-new manifold for the turbo to fit

-3 inch alloy exhaust system

-chip (tuned)

suspension:

-oztec heavy load raised cargo kit (thil16) 30 on front 50 rear.

all opinions are welcome. thanks.

[GC_AUS]

Matias - listen to Manxman.....!

I have both a VDJ76 & the 3.0TD lux & I'm not wanting to offend any Hilux owners but the two vehicles are chalk & cheese.

if you are making a statement then do whatever you want to the Lux but you are going to kill it. once you have enough power to do that towing you will just start trashing drivetrain - G'box, diffs & axles.

the Lux is a lightweight vehicle the cruiser is designed for the job.

[bongo Jongo]

This seems all to common ...... people trying to make Hiluxes something they are not.

Hiluxes are a great light 4WD.

That is what they, are that is where their strength is ........ try to make them something they are not and it will get expensive and disapointing.

Remember the maximum braked towing capacity of a pre 05 hilux is 1800Kg ........ I would not be trying to tow 1800Kg long distances at high speed and expecting it to be all good.

SOOOOO many people are trying to push the boundries on towing capacity .......... this is possibly the single most dangerous issue with caravans on our roads.

If you look at towing capacity in simplistic terms ....... you may well find you are overloaded and illegal ..... you must consider ball weights ..... the payload reduction due to the ball weight AND the axle loadings on the tow vehicle.

As for the engine power ........ If you are comming to diesel from owning petrol engined vehicles .... you need to change your expectations and you need to learn to drive a diesel.

Remember thet the 2.7 litre petrol motor makes considerably more power than even the turbo diesel motor in the pre 05 hiluxes.

Get it thru your head that a diesel hilux, particularly pre 05, turbo or no turbo will never be fast ......... but they are an excelent towing engine and 4wd engine.

Remember too that diesel engines get slugish if they are babied and driven around town at low rpm and low loads ...... they need to be loaded and driven hard from time to time.

You Must use a good diesel spec oil ...... forget all the fancy brands and stay away from thick oils ..... you need a 15w40 diesel oil, preferably a JASO DH1 rated oil ....... in this catagory the top oils on the market come from three of the major oil companies .... Caltex Dello, Shell Rimular, or Mobil Devlac ........ it realy does not matter which and if ya paying more than $150 for a 20 litre ya not shopping well.

Change ya oil every 5000 ......... yes every 5000.

you can try all sorts of things to ring a bit more power out of a 3 litre pre-common rail diesel ... and you might get a little ........ but it is what it is .... get used to it.

cheers

Edited December 27, 2015 by bongo Jongo

[Manxman]

Damn nice post. Tell'em straight. Will differ on 2 things - I think Penrite HPR Diesel is ok, and usig a bypass filter propperly can save money on hi use cars. Not recommended for occasional use/short run vehicles.

[bongo Jongo]

Sorry but none of the upstart oil companies match the big three in the diesel oil world ......While Penrites' diesel oils are "OK" the Penrite diesel oils simply do not stack up spec for spec against the big three. ... it certainly does not stack up when price is considered ..... though it is way better than non diesel spec oils that claim to be suitable for diesel use.

Remember that diesel spec oils are used in enormous volume in the transport industry worldwide ( especially in the US)and the market is so competitive that it is very difficult to seperate the top 3 commonly available oils, Dello, Devlac and Rimular ...... BP and their flagship Castrol product has not kept up, neither has their budjet Valvoline product. That said Castrol RX super is still not a shabby oil and Castrol are manufacturing a couple of niech market, too spec oils that do not apply to pre 05 non common rail diesels.

For this era of vehicle you are looking for a JASO DH1 compliance as the king spec.

The other thing to remember is that all three of these JASO DH1 oils I mention and RX super are multifleet oils and spec up very well for petrol vehicles ..... so you can buy them in volume and use them in other things

As far as bypass filtration ..... while there are still some who support the idea ........ its been pretty much discredited and nowhere near as well regarded as it was in the 70's and 80s.

OH on the matter of filters ...... buy where the truckies buy and you will get better value for money ...... I pay around $16 for a landcruser style fulter for my hilux ...... If you buy in the normal auto shops you will pay around $30

Look for Sakura ( best value), fleet guard and donaldson ...... you will get better value and better quality filter.

cheers

[Manxman]

Advice noted-will try to follow. Need to do some local research.