I have to agree with the last Post, and i agree i sound like an old woman, How many times have we been passed by a P plater and we were already doing the speed limit? My understanding of the 'P' plate is that it refers to the driver being the holder of a PROVISIONAL licence not a proffesional licence as i beleive many would like to think. Should these inexperienced drivers be working as delivery drivers? Driving fast is great fun, but, how many of these drivers are not skilled enough to recover a vehicle from a 2 or a 4 wheel skid? both are common when speed and harsh breaking are present. Obviously there are many other situations where only experience and training will assist but even if you look at the most basic like skidding... I dont remember being taught this from my $70 dollar an hour driving school. I do beleive that training would be a huge help in curbing 'P' accidents, just to prevent basic acidents. ** heres where i climb in the soapbox ** And as mentioned in other postings what about power limitations? Anybody tried to get a Motorcycle licence lately? not only are there power restrictions but 2 driving courses as well, and of course NO PASSENGERS! Is allowing a P driver to go out all night with his mates while they are on the p!ss safe. Given he is the DESIGNATED DRIVER i accept he is sober. End of the night he is tired, has a car full of drunk mates who are egging him on and is sitting behind the wheel of a VN SS or maybe an older turboed jap. If you cant see that this screams of disaster look again because it is unfortunately commonly true. Ever noticed when they report an accident on the news ( and show them peel a car of a tree/pole) and moan that it was P driver that they then list the car full of people she/he had. This should not happen, people are being allowed to die because policy makers/civil libiterians are to afraid to do exactly what was done with motorcycles. School education, s#@t give me a break, most kids at school theses days dont give a s@#t already. A licence should not be a given it should be a privelage. I will now go a way for a while to dodge flying beer cans headed my way. <_<