Sahara 09

Well guys its a few years down the track now still using penrite HPR Diesel no oil consumption issues sice changing to penrite max loss is 3mm on dip stick over 10,000k,s thats around 300ml Im so happy with the 200 im keeping it long term

Hi is it diesel or petrol ? if diesel its very possibly just normal diesel noise if petrol get it looked at asap best i can reccomend without all the details

Do not pussy foot around in it you will glaze the cyliners drive it quite hard under load etc and you will have a good motor

So far good news to report oil changed over 7000k ago so far just under 1mm drop on dip stick by now the oil my service center was using the light would have been on and oil topped up im sticking with penrite from now on :)

Its looking like an oil quality problem as opposed to an engine problem have several friends who now run http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/motor-oil/hpr/hpr_diesel_15 and so far all 3 after 10,000 have used under 3mm on the dip stick :) im changing over to this next service too hopefully ill be #4 of us not using oil will know soon enough :)

Hi mine has been overfilled by 10 to 15 mm at times its just their way of covering up the issue or total incompetence by the mechanic by overfilling it. I suspect the former and its a cover up tactic but its a well known problem by almost all TTD owners. But i still believe that Toyota will remedy all the effected vehicles in their own time :( only problem is a lot of other ppl are hearing about this and i cop a lot of flack about the 200 being an oil burner and not the diesel oil . Ive coped the snide remark of have you filled the oil and topped your diesel up lately :( mainly pootrol owners of course :( obviously after spending 130k so far on my Sahara with accessories it does hurt a bit but i like the car its great so ill just block the snide remarks out the best i can .

G,Day Phil yes i tow 3t and over average 17 to 18 l/100k on highway 110kph no van i can get down to 7.8l /100k on highway using cruise control driving myself 8 to 9 l/100k around town 11 to 12 l/100k driving quietly using the loud pedal 14 to 15 l/100k all figures are as reported via the Sahara dash have checked it against liters filled by k,s done and its within .2 of a liter /100k

I also had the loss of power while towing the van sat on side of road me the wife and all 6 kids 40 deg heat my 200TTD Sahara broken down yet again all dash lights lit 1 hour later it finaly fired up backtracked to nearest Toyota dealer in limp mode. Codes cleared on my way not impressed with oil usage either on oil watch what a joke my 100 series has never let me down ever in 170,000k never used a drop of oil either so far 4 holidays 3 the 200 has failed the 100 series over 20 van trips flawless perfect reliable still have it . with the extras on my 200 its set me back $130,000 sorry mr toyota but your loosing my custom next time around if things dont get better was about to update my 100 to the 200 but no way now !!!!!

Hi Hilmar best place for these questions is LCOOL lcool.org under the 200 section there are many of us with oil consumption problems even after the pump is replaced fuel consumption dosent seem to be a problem here and with the gearbox re flash 6th is achievable just under 100kph join us in lcool more info avail there

here is the drafted letter just copy and paste it into a note pad or similar add your details Concerned Toyota Landcruser 200 Diesel Owners Group. To the Dealer Principle / Service Manager, (…) Toyota) RE: My (20…) 200 Series V8 Twin Turbo Diesel Landcruiser. Dear Sir / Madam. My name is (…). On the (…) I purchased through your dealership a 20(..) 200 Series Landcruiser V8 Twin Turbo Diesel. I have had the vehicle serviced regularly since I obtained the vehicle as per the manufacturers log book standards. I am also a member of a group of over 95 (and growing daily) concerned owners experiencing the essentially the same issues. Whilst we appreciate that the 200 Series is a completely new model, and is bound to have some mechanical warranty issues, I have stuck by your dealership and my Landcruiser. However, what we cannot condone is the issue of the relatively high oil consumption, accompanied with the excuses and ‘fobbing off’ from the dealership anymore. Currently, I am using in the range of (…) and (…) between services, which are at 10000km intervals. This concerns me greatly. Another issue that concerns me greatly is the ambiguity of information contained in the Landcruiser operation manual in regards to oil consumption. On page 289 it states under the heading; Engine Oil Consumption * The amount of engine oil consumed depends on the oil viscosity, the quality of the oil and the way the vehicle is drive. * More oil is used under driving conditions such as high speeds and frequent acceleration and deceleration. * A new engine consumes more oil * When judging the amount of oil consumption, keep in mine that the oil may have become diluted, making it difficult to judge the true level accurately. *Oil consumption: Max 1.0 litre per 1000km (which seems on laymen’s terms quite excessive. * If you consume more than 1.0 litre of oil per 1000 km contact your dealership. It seems that some (most dealers that our group deals with) dealers are getting around this issue by overfilling the oil level to give the owner the impression that the oil consumption isn’t as bad as it may seem. This is where the ambiguity of the matter comes into play. On page 290, still under the general heading of Engine Oil Consumption, there is a notice that states; * To prevent serious engine damage Check the oil on a regular basis. * When replacing the engine oil *Be careful not to spill engine oil on the vehicle component. *Avoid overfilling, as the engine could be damaged *Check the oil level on the dipstick every time you refill the vehicle. *Be sure that the engine oil filler cap is properly tightened. So, to sum up the issue so far is that my Diesel Landcruiser is using excessive amounts of oil, which can cause engine damage if it gets to low unnoticed, such as a long distance trip, and to combat this, the majority of dealers are over filling the oil volume to make the excessive oil consumption not look as bad, which in turn can damage the engine of our vehicles. This, in my opinion is a serious, fraudulent and negligent act from the dealers and I’m concerned that they may have (un)wittingly exposed themselves to legal ramifications and ongoing legal / media issues. On a personal level, I have seen my oil level overfilled, by looking at the dipstick almost straight after a service, once getting home, I have observed to oil level on the dipstick some 20mm – 30mm OVER the full mark. I believe that this would have to have some detrimental effect on the longevity of the engine. Some owners have had the vacuum pumps replaced and in some instances this has reduced the oil consumption rate, on some others it has not fixed a thing. I was put on an oil consumption test, where I was told that my car had used just over the recommended amount of oil for the period of the test, but should be fixed by the oil vacuum fix, but months further on, I have heard nothing further about the vacuum pump fix , even through numerous follow ups such as phone calls and enquiries at service times. As a group, we have been approached certain nation wide media outlets in relation to this oil consumption issue. They very interested in taking carriage of the matter due to the outstanding issues that Toyota are facing currently in the United States. However, in the name of fairness, and some sound and prudent legal advice, we are going to give Toyota the opportunity of fixing the issue, or devising a reasonable solution to the oil consumption matter before we take the path of going to the media. Also, in the name of fairness, we are not putting a defined time limit for the solution to be sorted out, but we would hope that Toyota would like to have the issue sorted out in a relative quick and prudent time to reduce the prospects on exposing itself to adverse public media attention and probable legal action from concerned owners There is one last matter that is also concerning us. That is when the warranty period expires, Toyota Motor Company will wipe its hands of us After spending the amount of money that we have on your product, we would like some reassurance that this won’t happen. Kind regards Fred BLOGGS Concerned Toyota Landcruser 200 Diesel Owners Group.

Hi goto lcool.org and sighn up there you are by far not the only person with this problem there is a letter drafted up there in the 200 forum section for ppl to fill in with this exact complaint i think there is currently 95 on the list and more signing every day !!!

I just brought a new Petrol VX 200 series and it is in the shop today with a 25MM drop on the drivers side front and the VSC light keeps coming on! anyone had the same issue? Ive had a couple of friends with this problem they fixed it themselves via re-leveling the KDSS system and haven't had it happen again since mine has never had the problem :D from friends reports they sumise air in system has caused it but one will never know for sure

I currently own both a gxl 100 series TDI and the Sahara V8TTD 200 the 100 has been flawless perfect vehicle so far the 200 has been great too time will tell though

The oxygen sensor in the catalytic converter can also cause that problem makes it run very rich

Thats weird i had the exact thing happen when i was going on holidays in january towing my van those exact lights came on and lost all power had to limp back to toyota 20kph flat strap and one mighty ****** off wife and 6 screaming kids they just said never heard of it b4 and said it was in limp mode reset comp and sent me on my way 2 mins down the road it started again :( chewed through 113L of diesel to do 300k :( topped up at a BP station 5 mins later the thing came alive and hasn't done it since and ive been on a few holidays since seems like there is a computer glitch or something going on