Talbit

I got rid of my Diesel RAV4! It left me stranded in a carpark and I had to get it towed to a dealer. End result was at least two zapped ECU's which was at least $4,000 +++. So with the oil consumption issue, the blown head gasket and now this, I'm glad to be rid of it. My conclusion... anyone thinking of getting a second hand RAV4 diesel DON'T !!!!!!

Mark, Try here for the thing I found on the head gasket https://toyota-club.net/files/faq/13-01-01_faq_ad-engine_eng.htm or find attached the same thing as a word document (the formatting might be a little messed up). I'm still not sure where I found it but I think it might have been from a link to a European forum. It certainly refers to the diesel engine in question. Look down the bottom under Experience. I'd really like to know how many others there have been in Australia. Mine is going fine at the moment. Still not worth flogging it off, especially when I'll get nothing for it. Cheers Talbit Toyota-club.net.docx

Mark. I don't want to start repeating what has already been said but the worst case was Jennifer "Upsetwithtoyota". The head gasket issue is as far as I can tell not related to the oil consumption issue. I can't find the link to the head gasket article but will be able to post it later next week. I'm on the road at the moment. The reason I still have the diesel is because the dealer only offered $11,000 as a trade on a C-HR. He said it has "issues" I said What issues? and they wouldn't say. This was after they did the head gasket job. I tried to sell it privately without success. I guess I was asking too much. So I thought Blow it I'll just keep it. It's running fine at the moment but my guess is the oil problem will still be there. The head gasket blew at about the 120,000klm 6 year mark. I can't comment on the later models but I'd steer clear of the 2013 model with the 2AD-FTV engine. There is no cure to the oil problem. Cheers Talbit

I didn't know they continued with the diesels into 2018. The new engine you mentioned might be ok especially that there have been no comments on this forum. But the 2AD-FTV certainly has the oil consumption issue. My salesman said they don't do the diesels anymore because they weren't popular which is rubbish. The reason was is because it's a lemon. Talbit

Further. If you look back in the posts you will see a link to the issue with the blown head gasket. Again the dealers say they are unaware of this issue. The later models might have been ok but the reason they don't make this diesel any more is because the engine is a lemon and they know it. Don't listen to the salesman. Talk to the service manager. If he says he's never heard of the oil problem then walk out and don't go back !!! I could go on but all I can say is buyer be aware. Because of my circumstances with the head gasket problem I now have two rav4. The second one is a Dec 2018 petrol purchased new last june. Last of the petro lls before the hybrids. Very nice. Good luck. Talbit

Don't touch it. But having said that I still have mine. The dealers are lying. Don't trust them. They know fully well the issue. But my consumption is manageable. To add salt in the wound mine developed a blown head gasket. That was a drama in itself. Talbit

Read my recent thread on a blown head gasket with my 2AD-FTV engine. My advice? GET RID OF IT NOW !!! Talbit

No more from me !!!

I hope by now you've sorted it. I left my RAV4 with my daughter while I was overseas and she reported the same thing. She said it was happening at night with the alarm going off randomly. I never found out what the cause was as it has never happened to me. What RAV4 do you have? Cheers Talbit

I have a 2013 Rav4 with the 2AD-FTV diesel and was very active on this forum with regards the excessive oil consumption. I decided to let it go and live with the issue. It appears now that this engine has been proven to be a real lemon! It now appears to have a blown head gasket. The first sign is coolant being blown out of the reserve bottle under high pressure. I see there are no active posts on this subject but appears to have been noted in the UK. See https://www.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/topic/105938-definitive-22-d4d-head-gasket-stance-by-toyota/ Does anyone in Australia have this problem. I haven't approached Toyota for comment. My service mechanic (non Toyota) says trade it in. It's not worth the risk of trying to fix it. Talbit

Okay H4RD, what was the outcome. Are they going to replace the engine? Talbit

I had a look at the new RAV4 diesel the other day. It looks like it's the same under the bonnet - just a newer look outside. But the engine is slightly different. It's still the same 2231 mL capacity. The model we have is the 2AD-FTV and the new model is the 2AD-FHV and in my case it's a 2 1/2 year difference in the manufacture date (June 2013 to Jan 2016). It's still a 2AD engine which I guess is the style but the next letters are different. I'm not sure what the other three letter refer to - different generations of the same engine? There must be something different or they wouldn't change the model number. Can we assume that the engine is the same but they've upgraded a few things - like fixing the oil consumption problem? I asked the sales guys and the service manager at two dealers now and not one of them would commit himself to saying categorically that the oil consumption problem has been fixed. Or maybe he doesn't know or doesn't care to know. Anyway, there is no way I'd buy the newer one just because they say it's okay! But it's interesting that this forum has gone very quiet. It seems no one with the newer engine has come onto the forum or started their own post to discuss any oil issues. Cheers Talbit

Blacktux, Is it the oil pressure or the low oil level? It's the same warning light except the LCD panel will tell you if it's oil pressure or oil level. You've gotta be quick to see it. But you've clearly got a different issue now, whether it's related to the rebuild or not. I've decided not to go ahead with the rebuild. It's just not worth the risk and it doesn't fix the problem anyway. But I'll still keep an eye on this forum even if it is to keep it alive for others. Clearly Toyota don't intend to do anything about it and are hoping we'll all go away and won't bother them! I probably won't buy another Toyota except that my >15 year old petrol Camry still drives like a new car and burns NO oil. Best car I've ever had. I recon it'll last forever. It's approaching 300,000klm although we don't drive it as much now. Cheers Talbit

Welcome to the forum which is getting very quiet. I think most people have given up with Toyota. So is yours a diesel or petrol? As far as we know it's only this particular 2AD-FTV diesel model which has the problem. See if you can find your vehicle manufacturing sticker (probably located on the door post) and see what your engine model is. 2 litres in 3000klm is a lot and there is definitely something wrong but my guess it's a different issue. Cheers Talbit

Don't get the diesel !!! See in this forum with regards the excessive oil consumption. Cheers Talbit

Okay figured it out... Yippeeee !! During a recent trip to Perth we said we have to do something about this or we'll go nuts. To cut a long story short I wrapped gaffer tape around the brackets where the bolts attach the nudge bar and the sound disappeared. I checked it by removing the tape and it came back. There was a resonance set by the wind near or around the lower bolt mounts. It's probably only unique to my nudge bar because of something odd in it's shape of the bracket or the nudge bar. Cheers Talbit

Nothing like that with me blacktux. We just did a drive to Perth. Same issue with the oil consumption. I took a supply with me. I waited for the oil light to come on just to see for sure. I won't bother with the rebuild. It's just not worth it. Before our Perth trip I spoke to another dealer that's opened up near me. Firstly he said Toyota agreed to do the rebuild then he came back and said because he's a different dealer, they wanted to restart the oil consumption check sheet again. He said he'd do the rebuild but I'd still have to top it up between services, so what's the point. It's not enough for the oil light to come on! Cheers Talbit

Thanks John, I won't bother with emailing them! I went into my local dealer today in Fyshwick Canberra. First I asked the sales guy about the new 2015 diesel and Had they fixed the oil consumption problem? He said Yes they had. I then asked What did they do to fix it and he said I'd better take you down to talk to the service manager. He told me that Yes that had fixed the problem. I said What did they do to fix it and basically he said they upgraded pistons and rings. So I said What are you going to do about fixing my car. He said he will look into doing the engine rebuild. So that's where I stand. No other forum member has reported 100% success so I'm reluctant to get it done but then again I can't complain if I don't try. He wants to have a closer look at the consumption sheet they asked me to fill out. I recon I'm well past that. The bottom line is if I let it go, the oil light will definitely come on once and possibly twice during a service period. A point he did make and what has been mentioned before in this forum... There are two warnings associated with the oil light. The first is "Engine Oil Low". If this warning comes on then it's still safe to drive the car for a short distance. The second is "Engine Oil Pressure Low". For obvious reasons you should not drive the car if this warning comes up. It's mentioned in the handbook on "Warning Messages" starting on page 428 in my book. Cheers Talbit

That's amazing, but what you'd expect from them. It's a wonder they didn't say "First we've heard of it". Can you post the email address you used? But at the end of the day, they don't want to be bothered by customer's problems. They want you to go through the dealers. And that's where the problems lay. Cheers Talbit

I have a 2013 Rav4 diesel and at about the 100 through to 120 klm range there is a strange 1Khz(approx) tone that comes and goes for no apparent reason. I can hear it in the cabin but can't figure out where it's coming from. It's driving me nuts. I can't relate it to speed - except as mentioned above, direction or anything that makes sense. It's not coming from the radio or the airconditioner. I don't think it's got anything to do with the shape of the car because it just fades in or out and has nothing to do with wind speed or the weather! And I can't relate it to engine speed and engine strain. It happens going up or down hill. It only occurs within the speeds mentioned above (not sure what happens over 120klm). Very strange. I recorded it on my phone. Anyone have the same problem? Cheers Tabit

Dear Forum members, It's not like me not to respond. We need to keep this forum alive !!! I have been corresponding with Susuel privately which I guess is not what we should do. Basically I said that we are just going to have to live with it. Susuel tackled his Canberra dealer and it seems that they might still be selling the diesel Rav4 still with the same problem unfixed. Criminal in my book. My question remains... Are they still selling the crook model and if not, what did they do to fix it. Maybe we'll never know. I was listening to Tony Delroy on the ABC (Thursday nights) and the guy there was saying that the expertise for these issues is at the dealer level and not at Toyota headquarters in Melbourne. So basically, nothing will get done. They're only interersted in selling cars, not looking after the customer! Cheers Talbit ps Keep this forum alive !!!

I wouldn't believe them! To say that they have fixed the 2013 model onwards is rubbish. Don't touch it !!! Can you ask him what was done to the new models. Remember, this is the sort of treatment we have been getting. Lies, all lies. We need someone to come forward with a new model and tell us what it's like Talbit

Yes, definitely stay away from the diesel, in fact I'd never buy another Toyota diesel no matter what the model. I'd be interested to know what the sales person says about the new models. My guess is they'd say they weren't aware of any problems so it's no use asking !! If the service guy says the problem has been fixed in the new model then I'd be interested to know what they did to fix it. But getting an honest answer would be like getting blood out of a stone. Cheers Talbit

Interestingly, Toyota has give me free 6 months roadside assist after my 40,000 service, but only within 100klm radius of Canberra CBD. No good to me me if I'm interstate but I'd call anyway if I'm stuck. But of course it's only a bandaid solution. I'd like to know if they've fix the problem in the new 2015/16 diesel and if so what did they do to fix it. Surely they're not still selling the same engine knowing there's a problem. Or are they? Cheers Talbit

Yes it's only the diesel. It's a lemon. I've put in 2 litres in this service period and I'm up to 38,500klm. Forget about the RAV4 diesel unless Toyota have fixed the problem in the new model but I'd doubt it. Just look at it this way. Toyota don't know how to fix it and will fob you off. I'd be interrested to know what the sales person tells you about the issue. Then walk down to the service section and ask them. If they say "first we've heard about it" then walk out. But the petrol one is probably okay. Check the posts on the crappy speedo. What do you mean by "causes the engine oil to rise" in your Mazda? Cheers Talbit