ok i have for the time sorted the 4Y out so it advances nicely and runs ok. Is a different car now its timed right :) Now to look forward and start planning my engine swap. I have to date owned alot cars ,mainly VL commodores as the RB nissan engines are all easy to swap in and i have done most of them myself inc turbo builds. Custom mounts and bellhousings are items i can make myself easy enough so im not limited by the normal bounds. Wiring im good enough at but really who enjoys wiring a car up ??? only the truely disturbed. ;) Due to the Hydrogen cell mod on my hilux i would like to keep carby power as modding the h20 system for EFI is a expense/ head stuff im not up for yet. :( i have been leaning towards a v8 holden BUT at the wreckers i saw a 2F motor. Now the wreckers say this wont fit . I have seen and driven a 2J (2.5L twin turbo) powered hilux and it fit pretty easily so i put it down to the guy trying to sell me a V6 VN motor swap package( i hate them ) and i found the parts direct from supplier about 1k cheaper than he quoted supply only.( i understand a mark up but 1k on a 2.5k package NOO) My requirements are simple. Petrol, Carby, Reliable . The car will see mild offroading, nothing extreme, tow duties for a track car around Aust, some daily duties, camping. All ideas welcome so dont be shy to reply. cheers