if the old road scares you i wont suggest galston gourge actually thats probbably not a good idea anyway but we could do both lol! youd have to go through the gourge to get to the old road in a way LOLOL bro that road is long, its scary cos lol my friend's friends car died up there recently, and well i went there once (when it was pouring hard, LOL dont know why - we ran out of places to go) and yeahh wasnt too good LOL anyways trying to convince vhao to come LOL :D and phat haha if theyre fans of a good twisty road they wont need convincing