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JohnLynn

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  1. My long term average reading has dropped to 8.9, this was reset 2.5 tanks ago and consists of varied journeys including a small amount of towing. I opted for a manual because I wanted to control what gear to be in, not Toyota's software although I am aware that I could do this with an auto. I do not know how the modern Prado automatic gearbox box works, does it use an oil torque converter? if so I am convinced that these are inefficient. Each time they slip including being stationary in drive they are wasting energy in the form of heating the oil. I did not believe the consumption figures quoted in the sales blurb quoting the auto to only be 0.1 L/100Km worse than the manual. I know that manual versions are rare in Australia and am waiting for the flack for suggesting this!
  2. I hear what you say about tyre pressures, infact there are several comments about this subject on the Prado forum. When my wife gets back with it I will increase mine and post the results. Must admit I am a bit confused about the scangauge being more accurate than the vehicle as surely both get their source of information from the same canbus? I presume there are many ways of reading this like a BT adapter from the OBD2 socket to an app on a mobile phone for instance?
  3. You guys have me quite worried about tyre pressures now, I must admit that my pressures haven't been checked as much as recommended in the handbook. Also the plate on the door and the owners manual recommends 200 Kpa which is 2.0 bar or 29 psi this is both for loaded and light vehicle use and for both sizes (245 and 265) of 17 inch rims. I am not going to post what my pressures were, as I don't trust Toyota to not monitor this forum and cancel my warranty ! but they were lower than recommended. I have taken a couple of pictures of my average consumption as shown above, and also the range. I had covered about 50 Km since filling up. I have reset the trips and will work out exactly the next time I buy some fuel. My photography skills are not good so I hope you can read the figures.
  4. Best of luck with your fuel consumption issue, after all that is why you started this thread before I took over moaning about maps. I didn't realise you were a software developer so I will send you a PM. I have attached a picture of this "fitting kit" it is easy to overlook if it is in with other paperwork. Glad that you are happy with your TomTom, I could add to my post above about who owns what in the digital mapping field that TomTom acquired whereis Australia last year. Don't they usually give their customers free map upgrades ! Anyway I don't wish to monopolise your fuel consumption thread so this will be my last comment about maps. We have the crazy situation that Toyota used whereis maps now owned by TomTom and HERE maps now owned by Audi, so I think Toyota have no map suppliers for Australia, hence the deafening silence from them.
  5. Just to let you know that I have joined a Prado forum where this map issue is being discussed. One of the members asked if I had looked in my glove box where he found a bag containing a booklet and licence for whereis navigation data Australia V20. It is a genuine Toyota fitting kit part number TOEA1431. Would you be so kind as to have a look in your vehicle please? This makes the mystery deepen for me, we have a whereis fitting kit that mentions "discs" not sd cards in new vehicles yet as we know the navigation has HERE maps. If this wasn't enough it appears that the HERE mapping company previously owned by Nokia, who took over Navteq has been acquired on 4th December by a consortium of German car makers Audi, BMW, and Daimler for $2.5 billion. So we have out of date maps fitted to all new vehicles that are made by HERE digital mapping company, now owned by German car manufacturers, with a fitting kit in each new vehicle supplied by whereis. This booklet suggests going to a web page for whereis updates, where you will discover that no updates have been issued for a Prado since 2010. Can you wonder Toyota refuse to answer my questions? how do they get away with it only in Australia ?
  6. Yes I have only assumed, perhaps wrongly that the "whereis" map will not work as the original is made by "HERE" I would love to be proved wrong and am trying to get the dealer to obtain a micro sd card to try it. At present they say that "there is not one in the country" so will let you know what happens.
  7. I lodged a complaint in December with WA consumer protection. I recently received a reply from them saying they had "spoken to someone in Toyota and I should ask my dealer" I am not permitted to speak directly to whoever this person is in Toyota so am waiting for another response. I have also written to Senator Muir of the motoring enthusiast party and also the FCAI. I am waiting for a response from both but not holding my breath. As you have confirmed that your navigation is outdated, this suggests that all Australian Toyota vehicles are supplied with outdated software yet nobody either notices or cares.
  8. Thank you for checking your maps, I have started a post in the general forum asking newish owners to check and post their navigation software age. I know that you have a better navigation system than the factory supplied one but if you agree that selling a new vehicle with over two year old navigation is unacceptable I wonder if you would be so kind as to ring Toyota Customer Experience to ask when updates will be available. It is my opinion that neither they nor their dealers have any clue. I have spoken to HERE mapping company who say they "have no connection with Toyota and no new maps planned" Toyota also say it is Fujitsu Ten who do the mapping in new vehicles, I have spoken to them as well and they told me that "they only provide the audio" If you look at the Toyota websites for Europe, the USA or Japan you will see pages extolling the virtues of up to date maps. It is simple but of course expensive in these markets to download updates so why not in Australia? As for your original question, unfortunately I have not yet filled up my tank then measured the distance travelled. I agree that my 9.3 average may well not be accurate, however the fuel consumption seems so much better than my previous car in Australia which was a Ford Falcon AU automatic (4 litre straight six) Your bar graph certainly looks more under ten than over.
  9. Please would any owner of a relatively new Toyota post their opinion of the navigation system. In particular I am interested in the age of the information used by Toyota for my ongoing battle with them to get current maps, POI's etc Please would you look at your unit to check if it is using the same maps as mine? (Prado 2015) From the map screen press, menu, more, help, about, more, content, maps. I think it will show Australia HERE map from 2013 Q4 Toyota claim that the latest map for my vehicle, and I presume any other vehicle is part number PZQ 6000250 which apparently was released in July 2015 and is made by "whereis" not HERE. If this will work in a recently built car (which I doubt) then why are we stuck with over two year old maps? Please look and post here as I think many people assume they have the latest maps available. I was cheeky enough yesterday to ask someone parking their similar age car to mine yesterday if their navigation was up to date. "Yes definitely" they replied, however on letting me show them the menu they were annoyed to discover the maps were as outdated as mine.
  10. After quite a long drive my average is still on 9.3 so I guess that the average must be over a long period. Mine does include sometimes towing. The spikes in the picture above are in traffic and reversing then sitting with the engine running trying to take the picture! Also is your Prado automatic? as I wanted a manual so that I could decide which gear to be in, not Toyota's software. This may affect the fuel economy?
  11. Have you looked at your consumption screen ? apps, eco then you will see something like this:
  12. Hi Geoff, I am heading into the country this afternoon so will try it out. To be sure we are talking about the same thing I have just scrolled through the display with the ignition on but engine not running. My display shows trip A, trip B, range, then L/100Km which is the "instant" fuel consumption. Next is L/100Km average, mine shows at present 9.3 but I have been doing short runs around the suburbs. I will post again when I return from this longer than usual trip.. In the meantime I agree with you about GPS although I would be quite happy with the factory fitted system if it had current maps. The traffic etc seems to work well. Please would you look at your unit to check if it is using the same maps as mine? From the map screen press, menu, more, help, about, more, content, maps. I think it will show Australia HERE map from 2013 Q4 I have had many irate phone calls with Toyota Customer Experience, they say that the latest map for our vehicles is part number PZQ 6000250 and is version 21 released in July 2015. I do not think it will work in our cars as it uses "whereis" not HERE maps. Toyota want me to pay over $300 for it even though my car was built in September 2015 and I bought it in December. The saga goes on as the dealership says there isn't a micro sd card in the country! I will be speaking to both of them again tomorrow.
  13. I have the same vehicle and have covered almost the same number of K's but in WA. I have been really impressed with the fuel consumption although I probably drive slower than you? the odd times that I have bothered to look at the dash I found that one setting wasn't damped much at all and by careful (but not stupidly slow) driving could easily make it read between 7 and 10. However I am still battling with Toyota over another issue which you may not have read, this is the lack of map updates. My Prado has over two year old maps and I guess yours does too. Dealing with Toyota makes getting blood out of a stone seem easy. I wont be buying another one but don't expect much sympathy on this forum. If you would like details of just how incompetent Toyota Australia are over the software issue PM me or I could post again on here.
  14. I may have been naive in assuming that customers would be treated the same in Australia as in Europe where I have spent a long time. I am probably in danger of provoking a response of "if you don't like it here leave" but this is why : This is a link to the Toyota eu website extolling the virtues of map updates http://www.toyota-mapupdates.eu/Home/WhyUpdate If current maps are important in Europe why not Australia? Hyundai offer annual map updates and also the ability for customers to run their own navigation via Android Auto or Car Play why not Toyota? It is not just navigation, take servicing for instance, my new vehicle needs a dealer service every six months. Later this year I intend to lay it up for six months and will have it service before it is stored. Toyota have told me that it must have another oil change at six months even though the vehicle will not have been used. When asked why they told me "the oil goes sticky" I wonder why oil doesn't go "sticky" when new vehicles are stored in the yard waiting to be sold? This is a quote from the Toyota owners club regarding servicing in Europe, does the same apply here? "The issues over which oils are used is caused by a European law called "Block exemption" the same law that states that manufacturers can't insist on main dealer servicing, also stops Toyota from insisting what oils are used by anyone wishing to service a car including their own dealer network. All Toyota are allowed to do is list a set of specifications that the oil used must meet they can also list a "preferred" oil.
  15. Thanks for the info re when the local market will need to comply with Euro 6. It is not the cost of map updates although irritating it is the fact that none are available or even planned. I say this after having spoken to HERE mapping company who told me "they are not preparing any new maps for Toyota" This leads me to believe, (and I may be wrong) that the reason is political in that Toyota may well be in the process of changing which company they use for navigation. As you probably know Toyota have decided not to follow other manufacturers in introducing either Car Play from Apple or Android Auto from Google. Both of these will allow apps including navigation from a smartphone to be displayed on the cars infotainment system. Apparently Toyota will be using a Californian company called Telenav for their navigation. I can find no further information about when or even if this will happen. I assume that toyota do not want customers using say Google maps as they would lose their lucrative map update sideline. It is my opinion that in the meantime the Australian market will just be ignored, because they can get away with it where they would not in Europe. I have already sent a complaint to WA consumer protection, they agree that "over two year old maps supplied with a new vehicle is unacceptable" and are taking the issue to Toyota on behalf of customers. Unfortunately due to the holidays nothing has been sent to Toyota yet. Thank you again for your reply, I tried to title this thread to get people's attention, it does seem to me that nobody cares, although I suppose I am "preaching to the converted" by posting here at all.
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