thanks guys for your informative comments. another car i use for some fun on sprint days its a crappy little home made kit thing with rear wheel drive (got a 4age in it so its basically a toyota). you are spot on with all the comments however with this kit car when i changed from 2 to 3 degrees on the front wheels negative camber on R spec tyres initial turn in was more precise and instant and corner speed was slightly increased with a more stable exit. 3 second gain @ winton with this adjustment. It wasnt just better and more stable cornering but you could turn in with more confidence. With the change in camber the car had another wheel alignment so that toe was adjusted to the standard of no toe in or out "0" toe. I did prefer the higher camber setting for turn in feel, it just felt so much better and made me smile. been reading a few articles about toe in/out in reguards to suspension height. I assume this might be controlled by caster or height / position of the steering rack (bump steer). The article mentioned that you might have in a static situation 0 toe or 1mm toe out. But what happens when the suspension is under load. If the suspension toes in under load/ spring compression then to maintain the arc you input you would actually need to back off the steering (which really is a bit unnatural). Where as if you can make the suspension toe out slightly when compressed then you would need to input a little more to maintain the arc, which in theory should be alot more natural instinct for a driver. Sounds interesting anyway but sometimes you just dont get enough track time or money for that matter to test these things. thanks for your help regards jonathon