Thanks very much Croco, that's very good info. I have heard and read in reviews how nicely the Territory drives, and almost every one says it's the most car-like of all the these big wagons I actually think I could possibly roll the lease over for another 12months, and as the Kluger is such a good car that could be the logical thing to do, and hope the new model is out by then Appreciate your input, thanks again!