probably everyone mate ..... however as stated .... no need to go bragging on the forum as ur pretty much signing a confession ....... Thanks for the heads up... I agree in retrospect, my openness was ill conceived. I would have pulled my head in right at the start if I had been told 1st up instead of the merciless tirade by Carlo and his nodding bricks! :) At any rate, boasting about exploits was not my intent in the post, the emphasis was created by others. My previous posts have been edited to better conform. I just wanted some advice on the cars behaviour from a technical Corolla specific side, not from a driving style aspect. As I said in my original post, Tsuchiya noted this trait as a scary peculiarity of the RunX that other models been tested did not have. So far, no one seems to have any answers. Regards Chris PS. GT4 is a good safe training tool, but is no substitute for the real thing. Nuff said.