To win the respect of this club ces has to fork out something to prove itself not buy off the moderators. CES is only good in brisbane any other products like injen or trd or no brands that are up there are definitely going to get slightly beaten by a "local" modification company. Obviously CES will design themselves better then those stated with the "conditions" in brisbane. What i say is CES should give some members on this website some free samples of their new CAI and let them test it out for themselves. I vote that 1 mod in each state be given one for trial, the moderator should be allowed to designate a members car for trial and implement the trials on a specified type of dyno negotiated between the moderators. Once finished with the testing and the evaluation and report produced by each individual states moderator then the products can be returned to their rightfull owners. As we all know most of the moderators in the queensland state are biased, so it should be up to the other moderators to keep them in check. I mean seriously suspending somebody for expressing his support for injen as opposed to you boys supporting ces, question... why dont you mods suspend each other? Since when did this post continue from the other? IT WAS FOR supporting INJEN, something any member is free to do since the moderators of brisbane support ces (very biased now, knowing you've suspended the one who votes for injen as to the person who votes for ces). Heres a good option, brisbane moderators should all be bared from moderator topics on "cai" or "exhausts". Also to the person who wants to test this other people in other states stuff in brisbane... all i can say is .... BWAHAHAHHAHAHAA We all know that Brisbane was far from being the top dogs 3 years ago. Before brisbane came out of their nappies alot of people would say that melbourne were the top dogs in corolla modification and research. Which is where mostly the hate is coming from MELB VS BRIS. i mean seriously who do you brisbane people think you are? just because you finally have members now you can shift your weight on the forum? mate come back when you can organise a meet with over 30 sportivos.