AF35

Any more info on the Liquid Injection Systems?

I am looking at having my Kluger converted but if something better is coming soon it could be worth the wait.

Thanks

sure. http://www.lpgli.com/ is their official website. supplier is in melb.

and the quote is from my e-mail conversation with the developer from lpgli.com

"It will be 4-6 months before the kits are finally ready. Injectors are still giving us problems which we are overcoming.

When the kits are ready they will be distributed through all the licensed convertors."

Cheers :)

My new corolla serving me since beginning of the year runs 7.8L/100km mixed driving.

read straight from the electronic meter. and the meter never gets reseted since i bought the car.

so i'd say corolla engine has improved? :P

The price for New Zealand is wrong.

NZ has officially reached $2/L in May.

I also believe China petrol price is more than $1.2/L now

Under the Pump – Global Petrol Prices (Live Link).

Source, the AGE newspaper 24-May-2008.

$AUS Per Litre.

Australia (Melbourne) ………………………..$1.49c

Canada……………………………………………...$1.45c

Chile………………………………………………..$1.33c

China……………………………………………….$0.80c

Denmark……………………………………………$2.45c

Egypt……………………………………………….$0.34c

France……………………………………………....$2.25c

Greece……………………………………………...$1.86c

Hong Kong…………………………………………$1.32c

Iceland……………………………………………...$2.31c

India………………………………………………..$1.12c

Indonesia…………………………………………...$1.02c

Ireland……………………………………………...$2.03c

Italy………………………………………………...$2.28c

Luxembourg………………………………………..$2.08c

New Zealand……………………………………….$1.59c

Norway……………………………………………..$2.27c

Russia……………………………………………....$1.04c

Turkey……………………………………………...$2.62c

Britain……………………………………………....$2.33c

US…………………………………………………..$1.05c

Venezuela…………………………………………..$0.04c

P.S. Please don’t shoot the messenger, the above mentioned prices 'are as is' from the publication.

Hello Andrew. You may have heard a lot and read many things about LPG and whether it will be any good for your Aurion. I am the right person to speak to because I have done over 3 months of research via the internet and speaking to different installers. These are the very hard facts:

1. You will not lose any power at all.

2. There is no increase on engine wear (in fact, LPG will increase engine life).

3. With the current prices, the savings on fuel is 50% over petrol.

4. Your engine will not backfire (that happened with old technology)

5. You will be extremely happy with this fuel (I had my HSV Commodore on LPG 10 years ago and it was great). With this new system it will even be better.

Dont hesitate if you really want it. Dont listen to too many people and take very little notice of what is posted on the internet (I gues that means me). I have a saying, 'Dont believe what you hear and only believe half what you see.'

I have done all my homework for the Aurion. Dont bother with what Toyota might say because they would rather have you buy their Prius if you want to save money. As a matter of fact, when you speak to any one of them, they all seem to have a different opinion about LPG.

Be sure you pick the right installer. I went and checked out a few places and I decided to go with this particular one because of the following reasons:

1. Professional looking workshop

2. Manager was very knowledgeable and answered all the weird questions

Good luck. I will give you my mobile if you wish to discuss this via phone.

George

Where did you research this information? Some of those points defy the logic of physics...

1. LPG will cause a power and efficiency loss due to the lower density of the gas. LPG has a higher octane rating, which compensates for the lighter density and brings performance to a comparable point to petrol. The loss of efficiency still exists however and means that in a car that would typically make 10L/100km of petrol, will be closer to 15L/100k running on gas. This is going to be the case with comparing ANY gaseous fuel to a liquid fuel and is a scientific fact that cannot be debated.

2. Engine wear - this is a point to be argued. UNLESS additives are used in the gas to provide additional lubrication of which gas by itself lacks, valve seat wear WILL INCREASE. There is negligible impact to cylinder walls and rings. However, this may be compensated IF the engine is designed to run with gas (the Aurion is NOT designed to run with gas), which in that case will have compatible alloys and internal designs to be able to handle the significant reduction in lubrication. If you wander around wreckers and take a look at almost any car that has a gas system, you will find that the head is not in very good condition and will require either valve seat replacement and/or entire valve replacement. LPG does not have any lubrication at all by itself.

3. This is true for the most part, but is quickly compensated by the fact that additional tuning and maintenance is required in order to ensure the gas system is safe. This includes regular checks of emergency cutoff valves and testing of all fittings to ensure there are no leaks. In older systems that used an air intake mixer - this would also include replacement of diaphragm parts at regular intervals to ensure correct mixture. This is not the case with injection systems, although they must still be tuned on occasion to compensate for any variances introduced by various qualities of gas. Also note - the government has plans in the very near future to introduce additional excise tax to gas (approximately 60c/l has been suggested!), which will very, very quickly make any additional gains very minimal.

4. Yes this is true - only the old-style mixer systems had this issue due to incorrect mixtures from lack of tuning. Injected systems do not have this issue as an ECU is used.

Do not believe everything gas fitters say, as they are all out there trying to make an easy sale!

I believe anyone who wants to do LPG conversion needs to find information LATER THAN 2006. Since the late SVI and the coming up liquid injection systems are another class than the old mixers. so that's why people have two extremes in opinion depends on what system you are talking about.

the new liquid injection is claiming a better performance and higher fuel economy than ULP. however i'll only come out 6~9months later. The SVI system is also claiming to have reduced the power/fuel economy to the minimum compared to ULP.

so I would recommend LPG to someone who really wants to save $$ on fuel. However, a good installer is EXTREMELY important to save future hassle.