Just some info,although it only applies to Rio Tinto employee's here in WA. One toyota dealership has a deal that offers 8-10% off the new car price. I understand this is usless info for people outside the company, however it may pay to see if other dealerships across Australia have similar arangements with other companies. I'm looking at the new Grande, and hopefully will drive away for under $60K...amazing what they can do if they desire isn't it! Great forum BTW...cheers for your time.