thanks for the input guys im taking my time on this one, i would stay with toyota theres only a few i like e.g. supra, soarer tt, but to find a good example is hard and im sort of over there shape now. The aristo il look into thanks. As for the s15 someone made a good point where i would just be pouring more money into it to make it go harder plus there everywhere in melbourne, and no offence to anyone but alot of tools drive them lol. The teg type r is great little screamer but this car will be a daily driver and after a while i think the track feel and real on normal roads will get on my nerves, as for the tuning i would also feel im stuck with another n/a stivo drama but the parts are readily available but $$$$. Then theres the b4 if you ask me still my top choice its got everything leather, awd, twin turbo that sexy as boxer engine the only thing is turbo lag but i have researched this and apparently it can be resolved with ecu tuning at mrt for a pretty good price too bringing you to around 170 at all fours which would bring me a grin from ear to ear. The alfa is another choice its just a hot italian car which i hear goes really well too. But the parts and servicing are apparently $$$ but then again how much would it cost to keep a b4 serviced and running well? Also i hear the alfas are plauged by problems, someone pull me up on this if im wrong phew so there ya have it