Squall0011

Hi, I just recently purchased a Lexus ES 300, and I was curious, since the Camry and the ES 300 seem to share more than just the engine, gearbox and drivetrain, if the suspention out of a 93 Camry would fit into a 93 ES 300.

Lets say that it's done 250,000km and you purchase a dash with 100,000km, and the person attempts to sell the car, It's a bit of a rip off to the person purchasing the car}

Pretty sure it would be illegal to sell the car like that. Just the same as selling a car with it's mileage clocked back.

http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/CA256F2B00231FE5/page/2010-April-Dodgy+Car+Dealer+Fined+and+Buyers+Compensated+in+Odometer+Tampering+Case?OpenDocument&1=0-2010~&2=15-April~&3=0-Dodgy+Car+Dealer+Fined+and+Buyers+Compensated+in+Odometer+Tampering+Case~

I know that would be the case, but lets just say they didn't get caught... I've seen quite a lot of ZZE122's and ZZE123's with less than 15,000km on the clock... I know there would be the odd one or two out there with that many, but 90% of papers I pick up, have eater model with anywhere between 10,000 and 19,500km on the clock...

It just seems (very) strange to me, that's all.

So Toyota is only asking $600 for a new instrument cluster?

Do they charge extra for a Stivo or Levin cluster?

That's cool that it lines up perfectly lines up with your red-line...

So the Stivo has a smaller tank than the 1zz's?

Obviously they'd charge a crap-load for it though >_>"

sorry to dig up old thread but update:

this is what the levin cluster looks like in my car

Yes, I see that :P

I was wanting that as opposed to the crappy lower model looks xD

wreckers is ur best bet... i haggled abit and got it dirt cheap becuz of the kms already on the clock (238,000kms LOL) but i dont really mind

i still dunno what that right plug behind the cluster is for... i should look thru the manual tonight to see if it says anything... i hope its not a sensor or something <_<

Ah, As far as I know it "shouldn't" save the KM's to the instrument cluster..? I was under the impression that there was a computer on the engine somewhere, that saved the information of KM traveled by the car, thus displaying the correct amount when installing a new Instrument cluster...

I also thought that having the digital KM readout would make it near impossible to forge a car's Km's (eg. Lets say that it's done 250,000km and you purchase a dash with 100,000km, and the person attempts to sell the car, It's a bit of a rip off to the person purchasing the car}

sorry to dig up old thread but update:

this is what the levin cluster looks like in my car

Yes, I see that :P

I was wanting that as opposed to the crappy lower model looks xD

Nice! I was considering changing most of my exhaust system, got the extractors ready to put in, Was thinking about using a 100CPSI cat, 2.5" all the way through, with an Xforce hot dog, and a Verex adjustable muffler...

I'm not sure if it'll be legal or not... Hoping it will though

Varex is illegal I think.

That it is, but the newer Corolla's have dump pipes, at first glance, it appears close to stock as you'd know from owning one. :P

Nice! I was considering changing most of my exhaust system, got the extractors ready to put in, Was thinking about using a 100CPSI cat, 2.5" all the way through, with an Xforce hot dog, and a Verex adjustable muffler...

I'm not sure if it'll be legal or not... Hoping it will though

I got EPA'd with my Sportivo and the orange car too...

Standard exhausts on both, orange one passed, Sportivo didn't... Put it on the hoist, showed the system was completely standard, no engine mods either... They were forced to pass it :)

Good, Sounds like you know your laws, I've heard of people that have done the DB check with stock cars, failed and they didn't pass it for them, Just cause they didn't know the rules...

The ADR test procedures can be found at the following link for those who were wondering:

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/674F5519FDE2D3E7CA257169000691D6/$file/ADR+28.01+FRLI+Mar+06.pdf

Also a bit more info here that differs a bit from ADR28.01:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/environment/noise.aspx

cliffs:

3. Procedure for Stationary Vehicles

3.1 Requirements for tests on stationary vehicles.

3.1.1 Tests on stationary vehicles (exhaust noise tests) should ideally be carried out

consecutively with the tests on the same vehicle in motion.

3.1.2 The measurements shall be made at an open site where the ambient and wind noise levels

are at least 10 dB(A) below the noise level being measured. The site may take the form of

an open space where a rectangle with sides no closer than 3 m from the extremities of the

vehicle can be described. The test site surface should be practically level, consisting of

concrete, asphalt or similar material and not covered with powdery snow, tall grass, loose

soil, ashes or the like.

3.1.4 Whilst testing is in progress no person other than any occupants of the vehicle shall be

within 1 m of the microphone in use. No person or object other than the person conducting the test and an observer or the objects necessary for the performance of the test shall be within 3m of the microphone in use.

3.1.5 Before the measurements are begun, the engine shall be brought to its normal operating

conditions as regards: temperatures, tuning, fuel, sparking plugs, carburettor(s), etc. as

appropriate.

3.2 Microphone position.

3.2.1 The microphone shall be directed towards the orifice of the exhaust outlet and shall be

supported by a tripod or similar device not providing excessive acoustic reflection.

3.2.2 The nominal axis of maximum sensitivity of the microphone shall be substantially parallel

to the test site surface.

3.2.3 The height of the microphone above the test site surface shall be equal to that of the orifice

of the exhaust outlet + 25 mm but shall not be less than 200 mm above the test site

surface.

3.2.4 The distance of the microphone from the orifice of the exhaust outlet shall be:

3.2.4.1 in the case of a ‘Goods Vehicle’ or ‘Omnibus’ 1050 mm + 50 mm,

3.2.4.2 in the case of any other vehicle 525 mm +25 mm.

3.2.5 For vehicles fitted with one exhaust outlet which is at a height above the test site surface

of less than 1500 mm, the nominal axis of maximum sensitivity of the microphone shall

make an angle of 45 degrees + 10 degrees with the principal direction of the gas flow from

the exhaust outlet.

3.2.5.1 In selecting this microphone position the microphone shall be placed so that the

greatest possible distance is achieved between it and the vehicle.

3.2.6 For vehicles fitted with one exhaust outlet which is at a height above the test site surface

of at least 1500 mm, the nominal axis of maximum sensitivity of the microphone shall

make an angle of 90 degrees + 10 degrees with the longitudinal centreline of the vehicle.

3.2.6.1 In selecting this microphone position the microphone shall be placed so that the

greatest possible distance is achieved between it and the vehicle.

3.2.7 For vehicles fitted with two or more exhaust outlets spaced less than 500 mm apart and

connected to a single silencer only one microphone position shall be used. That position

shall be selected in accordance with the procedure described in the preceding paragraphs

in respect of an exhaust outlet which results in the microphone being at the greatest

possible distance from the vehicle.

3.2.8 For vehicles fitted with two or more exhaust outlets connected to separate silencers or

spaced more than 500 mm apart, each exhaust outlet shall be treated separately as if it was

the only one.

3.3 Vehicle operation and noise measurement.

3.3.1 The vehicle shall be stationary with the transmission in neutral or, in the case of a vehicle

with automatic transmission, with the gear selector in the “park” position if such a position

is provided.

3.3.2 In the case of Goods Vehicles and Omnibuses powered by a ‘Diesel Engine’ the engine

shall be operated in accordance with the following procedure.

3.3.2.1 With the engine at idling speed the accelerator pedal of the vehicle shall be

depressed as rapidly as possible and kept fully depressed until the speed of the engine is

substantially stable at maximum (or governed) speed. The accelerator pedal shall then be

permitted to return to its original position as rapidly as possible and left in that position

until the engine has returned to idling speed.

3.3.2.2 A single noise level measurement shall be made for each microphone position in

use by noting the maximum noise level indicated during this procedure.

3.3.3 In the case of all other vehicles the engine shall be operated in accordance with the

following procedure.

3.3.3.1 The engine shall be brought to 3/4 ‘ESMP’ and stabilised at that speed.

3.3.3.2 A single noise level measurement shall then be made.

3.3.4 The specified procedure shall be repeated until four consecutive readings having a range

less than or equal to 1dB(A) are obtained for each microphone position used.

Cheers, but is that Australia wide or Just Queensland?

Think the rules differ in NSW...

Unsure.

But you get my point.

i'd have fun revving it off the clock too :D

Yeah, If the electronic system on the dash would allow it, I know it's a little different than having cable fed speedo and tacho.

But it'd be cool if you could, provided it doesn't hit the speedo needle and create havoc and causes both of them to die :P

nah it should be ok... i wanna buy a broken one from the wreckers and crack it open to see if its possible to do the change of colour or not... it doesn't matter what region, though i know the fuel gauge will be abit off as the levins have a 50L tank as opposed to a 55L tank on the sportivos. where they the SMD type leds?

I wouldn't see Toyota using bullet point single LED's, so due to the inefficiency of the light spread... Not that I pulled the whole thing apart, but I pulled enough apart to see that there was absolutely no user changeable parts, and the screws that were installed by Toyota are crap and strip easy, So be careful xD

Just to double check, doing a Instrument change should work, if the car you pull it out of, is also a manual, and it's from the same region your car's from?

Not blue. What u see what cha54 has posted is the normal colour of that tacho. Im tenpted to buy one just to take it apart to see id it is possible that it can be changed... Im guessing its just bayonet bulbs that i can twist and replace.

Nope. There are no accessible bulbs. it appeared to be LED's in the dash, already had a quick squizz at mine.

This is why I was also looking at other dashes...

Wait... i f they r leds. The brightness cant be adjusted becuz of the threshold voltage of the resistor? Any pics of the internals? :P where they soldiered in? Was it hard to pull out if the dash and crack open? Im sacred to do mine afraid somethig might happen lol

I forgot to take pics... I could take my dash apart... again for pics sake... but yeah, as far as I figured, they're soldered in, every single light on the dash, but the dash LED's themselves have the ability to be dimmed, as CME-LFT mentioned. by turning your headlights on (at least parkers) and then pushing your trip meter from the Odo (being how many Km your car has) to Trip A, then Trip B, Then once again... You should have these bars appear, if you press and hold your trip meter button in, it should start changing the luminosity of your instrument cluster...

Not blue. What u see what cha54 has posted is the normal colour of that tacho. Im tenpted to buy one just to take it apart to see id it is possible that it can be changed... Im guessing its just bayonet bulbs that i can twist and replace.

Nope. There are no accessible bulbs. it appeared to be LED's in the dash, already had a quick squizz at mine.

This is why I was also looking at other dashes...

Can Sportivo dashes go blue??? ??? ??? I read someone up a bit from this post mention it... and I wanted to double check...

no they cant... they have a red backing behind the tacho, so it will be a purple colour if there is blue lights behind it...

hence i want the levin optitron manual dash cuz i can change it to a blue colour (and future mod to turn from blue to red when it hits lift)

Ah... I just saw a Stivo on youtube that "apparently" changed blue when it hit lift... didn't think it was true but I wanted to double check

So the Levin cluster does have the option to go blue?

yeah i like the stivo cluster

hmmmm popping this bad boy into a 1zz ..... hmmmmmm ..... i guess it should b possible .... really gonna depend on getting all the right signals and praying that all the sensors send information to the cluster in the same manner ... im sure it will make a good bit of research for u using the 2zz manual and 1zz manual.

Theoretically it should be straight forward, take out and drop in, provided manual to manual. they read the same top speed, the RPM would be different, but it's more along the lines of what's in the board on the instrument cluster, So again, it should theoretically read the proper RPM, speed, temp and fuel, because all the raw data is being sent to the ECU to translate into something the cluster understands...

Can Sportivo dashes go blue??? ??? ??? I read someone up a bit from this post mention it... and I wanted to double check...

I have the levin optiron cluster for sale check the sale section

Couldn't find it... Mind PMing me about it please?

Hmm... What about a l4 Altezza Motor 2000-2005? Or an 95 MR2 l4 motor? they should fit without major issues... and the MR2 motor's designed to be in enclosed spaces...

Altezza motor = GenIV 3SGE blacktop BEAMS, and is a RWD north-south motor, which is not conducive to east-west FWD mounting. The MR2 motor is a GenII 3SGE or a GenIV redtop BEAMS, and whilst it is east-west they are TALL, WIDE and HEAVY. Neither would be suitable swaps for a Yaris.

My bad, I must have gotten some rotten information... Thanks for the heads up!

Hmm... What about a l4 Altezza Motor 2000-2005? Or an 95 MR2 l4 motor? they should fit without major issues... and the MR2 motor's designed to be in enclosed spaces...

as motors go the 1NZ-FE that is in it is fine and responds quite well to forced induction.

That's great to hear... Suppose it saves swapping and changing motors if that's the case...

theoretically it would be 211.07kph, but with an 80kw motor, you are never going to get there.

Hmm, that's a very good point, that 80kw engine pushing 800-900kg isn't really gonna make it too far over 180... So... When's the 2zz engine with the 6 speed getting dropped in? :P

Aerodynamic drag is the issue, not the weight.

The 2zz and c64 won't fit into the yaris/echo withuot hacking up the passanger side chassis rail. There is a thread on it someone in the depths of the Corolla section.

This is correct. Although it has been done its not a viable swap... not to mention the fact it would be illegal in aust.

Hmm... What about a l4 Altezza Motor 2000-2005? Or an 95 MR2 l4 motor? they should fit without major issues... and the MR2 motor's designed to be in enclosed spaces...

theoretically it would be 211.07kph, but with an 80kw motor, you are never going to get there.

Hmm, that's a very good point, that 80kw engine pushing 800-900kg isn't really gonna make it too far over 180... So... When's the 2zz engine with the 6 speed getting dropped in? :P

Aerodynamic drag is the issue, not the weight.

The 2zz and c64 won't fit into the yaris/echo withuot hacking up the passanger side chassis rail. There is a thread on it someone in the depths of the Corolla section.

I also knew it was aerodynamically inert... Due to the height of the car... Friend and I raced against each other in Yaris's painted with Domino's colors on the Nordschleife Nürburgring... I rolled it 3 times, he rolled his once... Both car's were pushing over 400kw and under 800kg, but he was running 4wd and I was running FF with LSD...

...He won >.<

The Levin dash cluster is what I was referring to, thanks heaps! Ether way, I'd like to put a Stivo dash or Levin dash cluster in my JDM Corolla sedan...

So anyone got a Levin or Stivo dash cluster they would like to sell or swap? B)

theoretically it would be 211.07kph, but with an 80kw motor, you are never going to get there.

Hmm, that's a very good point, that 80kw engine pushing 800-900kg isn't really gonna make it too far over 180... So... When's the 2zz engine with the 6 speed getting dropped in? :P

haha, never. might be a supercharger on it in jan/feb next yr

Hmm... Why not a 2zz? :P

A Supercharger on a Yaris, That'll be different, in a cool way B)