This is way off topic but I still feel it must be said. You're so naive. What exactly is wrong with a honda besides just saying "it's a honda". List some reasons that make sense. You prefer a nice big v8, fair enough, why? What does that offer you which my car doesn't? If you arent looking for a quick car, that handles well, and drives well, then what are you looking for? I love v8s , but there consumption is too high to be a daily for me. "we care about the car itself" contradiction. What exactly is superior in comparison here? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but yours is flawed when you can only argue with "its still a honda" Also, real men don't drive utes you block head, this view is so narrow. Real men drive what suits their lifestyle. Bus, hatch, ute, bike. Whatever. It's the men who are lacking that believe they must drive a certain type of car to fulfil some stereotype of being a man.