Valid points, Qld does not actually have a recognised system for auto locksmithing, I got in touch with a few people asking to get my skills recognised and they bascially said that there is no qualification in QLD that will recognise an auto locksmith, and most of the locksmiths in SEQ have no idea about auto, there really is only about a hand full of us who have any idea and no one wants to share info so makes it hard moving forward. Yea i had realised that the programing requires a master Key, im planning on using a little machine which makes a copy of the transponder (in about 5 seconds) then using another machine to produce the remote (similar to the K forge system however the k forge is a sack of crap) with that said im hoping i can make an after market version with little trouble, but if the above info you pointed out about the 50171 is correct am i right in assuming the programming procedure for the remote stays the same? e.g door open insert remove, insert key remove, close door, open door, close door, open door, insert key remove key, close door, open door, close door, open door, close door, insert key turn to on for 2 sec then turn off and remove, ect.......... Im going out of my way to do this job while on a holiday, would rather not waste my time if it wont work. (whats funny though is the minit store in the area where im passing to do the job quoted him 200$ for a key but had no idea how to do a remote haha so you are still right about most minit store having no idea)