Azza

thanks for every ones post ill look into it this weekend or next, hope fully find some thing simple.

I did recnetly get the front rotors machined and a new resonator installed so might be some thing to do along with those.

I know the exhaust does sit lower now and i had to remove the black little metal support under the car as it was hitting that constantly.

Cheers

Dave

Re: the exhaust....I know some after market exhausts on a Corolla can have a tendency to knock. The CES for example can sometimes knock where the system arches over the rear torsion beam. Search for it on here cause I think there are some pictures on how to overcome that issue, or contact Silvabullit.

Cheers

Aaron

This might sound silly, but just check your tyres for something caught in the tread, like a stone or screw or something....

I have a Rav4 now and I remember a few months back, I heard a ticking sound everytime I turned left.... couldn't pin it and Toyota reckoned I needed to pull out drive shafts and stuff. As I returned to my car, the wheels where turned one way slightly, and I notices a rock in the tread, I plucked it out and never heard anything since....

Just a thought, sometimes it's the simple things...

I agree with your thoughts Steven, and as you point out, you need to remain courtious and professional. Failing the attitude test is big tick for gaining a ticket for something you may have been able to avoid.

In the Army, Military Police do not actually write a 'fine' so to speak, rather they compile 3 documents. The first is a 'Service Police Infringement Notice' or SPIN. This document mearly gathers all of the information, similar to a civilian infringement notice. This SPIN is signed by the driver not as an admission of guilt, rather as acknowlegement that the offence was detected by Service Police and will be reported.

The second document is a Service Police Report which is usually about 2 or 3 pages outlining who the MP is, what they were doing and under what perameters, such as X road and X time, weather was slightly overcast with good visibility etc etc. This Report then details what offence was detected, with what equipment and what the circumstance were. ie CPL Blogg was detected travelling at 70km/h using an X device where the signposted speed limit was 40km/h.

This document then includes a conclusion and recommendation. It is SOP for an MP to ask for a 'Justified Reason' for speeding. If he tells us he is late for duty and gives a gobful, that all goes in the report verbatim. If he speaks courtiously and professional then this also is noted. There have been situations where a digger has come back from the desert and was advised he is being discharged due to medical & psycological grounds annd was detected doing 50 in a 40 area. He was professional and honest and was sent on his way with a warning. When I first did my training, we had a guy gob off about his CO sending him to do the lunch run and was rude and used a number of swearwords. It all then went into the report.

The third document is called a ROAT (Record of Action Taken). This is a form that the Commanding Officer of the Offenders Unit has to compile to justify his actions. If he reads the Service Police Report and decides the digger needs a fine, or a warning, he does whatever, is accountable and then completes the form and sends it back to the Military Police.

As you can see the attitude test plays a big part.....

I agree, and as a Military Policeman and having plans to be a civilian policeman (together with a large number for friends already in the service), I will guarentee you that there are bucketloads of instances where the interpretation of the law by the policeman at the time depends on 2 things, firstly his mood of the day and secondly, the attitude test.

However, in saying that, if the basic principles of the legislation are adhered to, and you dont give the officer any grief, then there shouldnt be any issues.

Being seen to speed up through the yellow light, is statistically the main reason people will be done for running the intersection. In a vast majority of those times, the driver when pulled over will gob off about how there was plenty of time, and the light was still yellow ont he other side of the intersection etc etc etc.....then they wonder why the cop the fine.

The best solution, is to keep your mouth shut, cop the minimum ticket he is writing you (if any) then appeal it in court later if you believe you are not in the wrong. Remembering in court, you not only have to prove your innocence on the matter, but the Police Prosecutor has to also prove your guilt, and contrary to popular belief, the judge will not take a Policemans word over the drivers. That is a myth unless you then get to court and gob off, then the judge will most certainly find against you.

However in saying all of that, if the basic thought of slowing on yellow is applied (without locking the wheels, as this is deemed unsafe) then you really should never have an issue, and if you do, it will be because you have probably drawn some other attention to yourself, ie loud exhaust, speeding, driving like a hoon etc...

nice cut and paste job on the road rules Azza, but i believe the question the OP is presenting is not how to stop at a traffic light, but how you can be prosecuted on it and how it is interpreted as "running the red light".

legislation is open to interpretation, its not black and white.

No need to interpret mate, just read it....it's there in black and white...

Let me spell it out a little clearer for you....

Part 6 Div 1 S.57 Stopping for a yellow traffic light or arrow

(1) A driver who is approaching, or at, traffic lights showing a yellow traffic light

(.a.) must stop

(i)

if there is a stop line at or near the traffic lights and the driver can stop safely before reaching the stop lineas near as practicable to, and before reaching, the stop line;

In plain english, this means:

1) If the light is RED then you MUST stop,

2) If the light is YELLOW then you MUST stop if you can do so safely

I am not sure what you could not interpret there.

I have an 08 Cv auto and I get about 450 - 500 with mainly city driving

Most people sound like they have replied based on personal thought as opposed to actual knowlede...Try looking at the legislation, and the effort used to locate it online is actually less than sitting there making up stories.

You can do one of 2 things. Either research the Road Use Act for your state, or contact your State Police for information.

In Queensland there is:

Section 56 of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management Road Rules) Regulation 1999

Part 6 Traffic lights, traffic arrows and twin red lights

Division 1 Obeying traffic lights and traffic arrows

56 Stopping on a red traffic light or arrow

(1) A driver approaching or at traffic lights showing a red traffic light—

(.b.) must not proceed until—

Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

57 Stopping for a yellow traffic light or arrow

(1) A driver who is approaching, or at, traffic lights showing a yellow traffic light—

(.b.) must not proceed until the traffic lights—

Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

(2) A driver who is approaching, or at, traffic arrows showing a yellow traffic arrow, and turning in the direction indicated by the arrow—

(.b.) must not proceed until the traffic arrows—

Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

(3) If the traffic lights or arrows are at an intersection and the driver can not stop safely under subsection (1) or (2) and enters the intersection, the driver must leave the intersection as soon as the driver can do so safely.

Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

(4) If there is a bicycle storage area before any traffic lights referred to in subsection (1) or (2), a reference to the stop line in subsection (1)(a) or (2)(a)—

OR MORE SIMPLY PUT

Qld Police Information Sheet

2. HOW DO RED LIGHT CAMERAS WORK?

Red Light Cameras operate automatically day or night. A Red Light Camera is connected to traffic lights and is activated when a vehicle crosses the white stop line. The camera is programmed to take photographs of the rear of any vehicle travelling over the stop line or entering the intersection after the lights have turned red. The camera will not be triggered by vehicles crossing the stop line on amber or green lights.

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I've just been catching up on the forums ... talk of an old school get together sounds interesting, but I think in the meantime I might need to give the Crown of Fury a run this Thursday, especially if it involves a car wash ...

I was just thinking the same thing Buddha. I haven't been out in ages.

Funny how things change, 3 years ago, Thursday Nighters used to involve a fleet of Corolla's and an occasional Echo or Yaris, now it's full of Aurions....

saw at red ZRE corolla with gold 5 spoke rims and was lowered :) at griffith :D

In Griffith? Would have to be either stolen, or a visitor....

Azza may ve out tonight in the Honda.... gotta go for tea with a friend, so it depends on what time I finish

The laws in nearly every state, territory or country I have driven in state that you must give way to the right (or left where driving is done on the opposite side of the road to here in Australia.

When approaching a Roundabout, yes, you must give way to what ever traffic is already on the roundabout (as you would if you approach an un-signalled intersection governend by a Give Way sign. THis is why nearly every entry to nearly every roundabout in the world has a Give Way or Yield sign on the entry approach.

So yes, here in Australia, by giving way to the traffic already on the roundabout, you are effectively also following the give way rule. Same sh!7, different texture....

Here you go, I have done some research on Yellow lights on the Eastern States. General principal is the same across all 3 states....

"Yellow means STOP unless you are unable to do so safely."

Ref: Driving In Victoria: Rules & Responsibilities Page 27

"Yellow (amber) means stop. You can enter the intersection if you are so close that sudden braking might cause a crash..

Ref: Road Users Handbook Page 97

"Stop if it is safe to do so."

Ref: Your Keys to Driving in Queensland Page 61

what dictates whether you have ran a red light or not?

Azza, you said 'if you can stop safely' which is all well and good however doesn't this seem a bit grey? Is this the law?

Just interested.

Stopping safely implies that you had ample warning to bring your vehicle to a halt without tyre skidding or sudden stopping potentially resulting in a vehicle hitting you from behind (even if they are too close).

Most yellow lights will operate on a 3-5 second time delay. If you are driving your vehicle at the posted speed limit, then this would be ample time to bring your vehicle to a halt before the intersection, remembering the 2 second rule you were taught when learning to drive.

Now, following the 2 second rule, if you are within 2 seconds of the intersection when the light goes yellow, then you obviously will not be able to stop before the interesection safely and subsequently, you would have had ample time to clear the intersection before the signal turns red.

If you are further than 2 seconds, at 60km/h then you should have ample time to stop.

Now boat-spec makes the comment "i ran a yellow and took the intersection turn". The simple fact that he is taking the turn implies he is already slowing his vehicle, meaning that if he wasn't, and was intending on a massive handbrake inflicted Scandinavian Flick, then a potential dangerous driving infringment may be warranted.

From the limited information boat-spec has provided, I would deduce that he perhaps entered the intersection late and the light went red whist still within the boxing of the intersection. If his wheels had have left the intersection prior to the light signalling red, then I would say that there is more to it than being put to us in the initial post.

I hope I made it a little clearer

Azza :)

In Queensland you must stop at a yellow if you can do so safely, and while the officer may not have been able to see your approach to the intersection, he would have had to have been in a position where he could see the colour of the light so he knew what colour it was when you went through.

He should/would have been able to see how long the light was Yellow for the, and if it had have been yellow long enough, he'd be able to (and any respecting magistrate) work out that you should have had enough time to stop, unless he's being a prick and you entered the intersection just as it went yellow.

These are pretty hard to appeal, because all the Police Prosecuter has to do is to get up in court and say that based on the timing of the light changes, unless you were speeding, you would have had ample time to stop. Your word against his, and usually goes the way of the PP. If you have that few points left that this will result in a licence suspension, then the Magistrate will make assumptions that the PP are correct usually based on your already lowered amount of points that you perhaps do have a dubious driving history.

If this is the first time you have ever been pulled for anything traffic wise, then yeah, you may have a case, but I would be wanting to present some better eviudence opther than "he couldn't see my approach to the intersection"

Good luck mate

Nice grill Ash!!!! :P

Spotted Yoshi on Bems Rd Taigum out frnt of the shops this morning at 9ish...

Spotted Darryl on Little Edward St in the City this morning about 9ish.....you were heading outbound, I was heading towards town in the Super Tough Rav

Not a bad set, but I reckon thats tributing Travis more that DJ AM

Here is the thing about this ...... every CAI vs stock graph that i have seen has given a car between 5-8kw @ wheels. Now in all honesty whether its 5 or whether its 8 that 3kw difference @ peak power mind u ...... i hardly doubt its even worth the mention ........ if someone can honestly say they could feel that difference i call B.S. .......

Well said

Most cold air intakes I have had experience with over the years tend to be sluggish when cold.... usually about 3-5 minutes, and they are ready to rock...

............. just remember that nobody is yet to do a side by side comparison on any of the intakes, so nobody has any right to start comparing them......

Not all the intake mentioned above as per say but we did do some comparison at the last vic dyno day with a different combination of mods with intake being the "prime" focus accidentally. Unfortunately, foolee sic sounds of intake was not one of those measured.

Enjoy.

Fair enough, but a truer comparison would be installing a range of different CAI pipes onto the same vehicle concurrently then re-dyno-ing after each....

Unfortunatly, I don't know anyone here with the time, or coin to do it....

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you pay $250, $350 or $450..... you have to look at the value that you get from it.

Ask yourself the following questions:

Do you like the sound?

Do you feel you have a power increase from it?

Do you notice any power increase from it?

Then, regardless of your answers, you then have to ask yourself, if you still want it are you happy to pay that price?

When all is said and done, there is really a bees doodle difference between all of them, and the arguments have been flying now for 5 years about which is better, and the same responses come back and the same people argue and the same people bag the one's they don't have.

When I had my Sportivo, I chose a TRD pipe which I purchased second hand for $250 (thanks Andrew) and I was satisfied with the sound and the power increase and I have a Dyno to prove the power increase.

Yes, $250 was a lot to pay for a second hand peice of pipe, but I didn't mind parting ways with my hard earned cash for it, and I have percieved value....

Like real estate when you think of it, a block of dirt is a block of dirt, the real question, is how much do you want that block of dirt.....

Now before anyone flames me, just remember that nobody is yet to do a side by side comparison on any of the intakes, so nobody has any right to start comparing them......

Sorry guys, gonna have to bail. Still sick....

Sorry guys, Im gonna have to bail..... still sick....