You are right, a fully programmable chip is a better solution when seeking outright power... , but everything has its pros and cons. The reason i like a piggy back chip is that Toyota spend millions of dollars and thousands of hours gettign things like cold start, idle and closed loop running perfect. I would be naive to think a tuner could get these things as good as Toyota with a day or tuning. I just want the air/fuel mixtures changed on Wide open throttle to give me more power and more responsiveness when i hit the accelerator. A pigy back chip does this. I used to run a Motec in the STi and the gains were awesome! But we could never get it idling or running as smooth as the stock car. I suppose different chips for idfferent applications. Thanks for the response though, greatly aprectiated.