thanks for your posts guys, you have been a lot more helpful than the guys in one of the mazda3 forums. i like the stivo's (im picking up the lingo) 141Kw, but i fear that it requires too much of a rev to reach. so when driving around the city, for example, im thinking the mz3 will be more practical. i agree with your comment on the weight silva. the sp23, however, has 17" rims, which i hear, makes it handle very well. maaan...... i want both cars <_<