i dont know why.. but i cracked up so hard after reading that
back on topic.. i agree with the above.. i dont think it was stated that they weren't good products. jst that there are other options with potentially the same results for less? (correct me if im wrong)
if there is we are yet to see them, that seemed to be the biggest hangup some people had and as far as im aware the CES gear gives you the best results and is pretty much the only off the shelf exhaust system for our cars....
I've seen it myself mate (no hating no hating!! lol I know you two aren't happy panda's with each other! not trying to hate just saying! lol)
I think he engaged on a different path though. He's done some weight modification work too actually come to think of it, so I guess that paid off.
northy, bill, dylan, dan.........rip everything out of you cars and give them another run! hahaha