completely agree Craig... I actually only put #3 in to see what the reaction would be ;), someone at least took the bait. Personally I thought they were hidious but on the right car could look OK. For an update... The place that sell #1 and #2 put them up against the car side by side, both front and back and I can tell you, prior to going out there and seeing them #2 was my favourite, after seeing then as they would look on the car, #1 wins hands down. Gives it a real agressive look, the only problem I have is his advice on tyres, he kept telling me, '205/40r17 is the one for corolla' and I kept telling him 'it's not a corolla it's a Sportivo, they are different', he never got it!!! He tryed putting the 205/40r17 tyre up against mine and even with a well warn 195/55r16 the ones he was suggesting just look too small. Going to 215/40r17 I wouldn't mind so much as the change in rolling diameter is not as dramatic, but he jsut wouldn't listen, and the advice he gave compared to other places to do with tyres was very conflicting. Figtree Tyre Center where I normally go for repairs told me 205/45r17 the very 1st time I enquired about upgrading about 6 months ago, these guys are always great and I trust them more them some gut trying to ofload some cheapies on me... But this other place is the only place I can find these wheels (#1) so I'm stuck with Mr Ignorant.... Unless I get the Speedys, in which case I'll go to Figtree as they've given me an awesome quote ;)