what? proof of what? <_< <_< ... ok well say we aim to be in kiama at... 12pm? then we can grab a feed and go for a cruise... i know that means we have to meet and leave sydney pretty early, but if we wanna make a day of it, i think its worth it... so to give people time to be late (but dont be late or ill kill you), meet at: Villawood @ 10am Thornleigh @ 9 to 9.30am We will then leave villawood at 10.30 sharp, and should be in Kiama at about 12pm... sound like a plan? if someone can second this motion ill put it in the first post...