hi everyone from TOCAU!! let's not start this again!!! we have been thru' these too many a time!! let's just backed off and live in peace!!! everyone here contributes differently to the forum, eg... CORZZA provides the best pics for kits for the rolla and that is effort!! and of cos some entertaining stuff... everyone has their own freedom in choosing and believing in what they want for their car... even if it is for rice factor and not kw factor....some chooses INJEN whiles others go TRD, CES, etc.... we should respect that!! others even bare the fact that as long as an exhaust is loud enough, it satisfied them while others wants more from the engine.... comeon!! so relax!! let's get our act togther and share our knowledge we know about our rollas, be it a stivo, levin or ascent.... they are still rollas..... :) have a great day everyone!! :)