Are you f*cking serious? no, really, I genuinely want to know... First up, explain to me *how* stock for stock a 2JZ is better than a 2GR? and then, how about you tell me how you would fit one in to an FWD (east-west engined) car? Hmm, lets compare a little shal we; 2JZ-GE "The 2JZ-GE is a common version. Output is 220 hp JIS (158 to 169 kW) at 5800 to 6000 rpm and 209 to 220 ft.lbf (283 to 298 Nm) of torque at 3800 to 4800 rpm. It uses Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection, has an aluminum head and 4 valves per cylinder with some versions using VVT-i, along with a cast iron cylinder block." 2GR-FE "The 2GR-FE is a 3.5 L (3456 cc) version. Bore remains at 94 mm but stroke is reduced to 83 mm. Reported output varies depending on the vehicle application, but is approximately 285 hp (213 kW) at 6200 rpm with 289 lb·ft (392 N·m) of torque at 4700 rpm on 87 octane (R+M/2). This version features Toyota's Dual VVT-i, variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust cams. The engine is all alloy." and for good measure 2GR-FSE "The 2GR-FSE engine used in the Lexus IS, and GS 350, incorporate Toyota's latest D4-S twin injection fuel system. This system combines direct injection with traditional port injection. Using direct injection and port injection simultaneously facilitates more precise mixing of air and fuel under low and medium load conditions for greater efficiency, while high load conditions dictate the use of direct injection alone for maximum power. The 2GR-FSE engine is rated at 315 PS (232 kW; 311 hp) at 6,400 RPM and 38.4 kg·m (377 N·m; 278 ft·lbf) at 4,800 RPM. The engine's service weight is 174 kg. The 2GR-FSE was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.[1][2][3][4]" Yes, the 2JZ is a good engine, but its now over 20 years old and simply will not fit in anything FWD anyway. And as you can see from the above, the 2GR-F(S)E makes more power from factory (even more than a 2JZGTE too), it will have lower emissions and better fuel economy... engine tech has come a long way in 20 years. So maybe instead of running around saying how your land yacht of a supra is the best car evar with the best engine evar you will think before you speak. That leads me to another rant, the amount of morons that have told me to put a 2JZ in my celica is astounding... do people not understand the difference between a FWD(or AWD) (east-west) and a RWD (north-south) engine layout? and with that said, have the seen the size of the celica's engine bay... god I wish people would think more before they spoke. /rant. edit: (source, wikipedia) wow. dont mess with mick! you didnt add in the twin-turbs mick? that gives it the extra 300kw on top of the stock 160kw? :P previous car was celica sx 93', i feel ya.. not much room in there.. not for a 2jz neway