hahaha oh my *** i haven't heard a bigger load of **** in my life, I dragged a mate (we planned this properly) in an SV21 auto 2.0 efi (phucken nice car though, so smooth, tight and quiet and nice riding suspension) in my ****box 85' carbie 2.0 manual telstar and up to 100 I beat it by half a car length. SV21s are slow man, I will agree they'll probably beat a VL and other old commos and falcons just cos the things gearboxes and engines go to cr*p after they're 10 years old cos I used to same the same thing about my telstar and nobody believed me. VK/VL, XF/EA are snail cars with their sh*t autos and sh*t engines. as for the OP, yeah I cruise around in my '01 Avalon CSX alot just to keep the k's off the Yaris and its not a bad car, I been in my mates 96 ES300 and there ain't much difference in the way the avalon and the lexus drive - the rolling acceleration is where they 'rip' the commodores (VT-VX) and its a proven fact, 80-120km/h - avalon is the quickest of the aussie 4 for 2001, i love the sweetness of the 1mz-fe from 4k to redline....its beasty, pity about the auto kickdown - i wish there was manual avalon around..