I am a newby, I am a mechanic and have had a lot of different cars along the way mainly holdens, i still have my vx ss commy which is pulling 233rwkw's. I have driven many cars as i am an old fart 54, i knocked my brother when he bought a v6 2002 camry but i have to admitt now owning one for a few weeks i am impressed with the build quality with 214000kms on it, I no complain Cheers THE DON.