My comments were not designed to be shot from the hip and to assume that people are flogging their car. I was reading posts where people mentioned gearbox problems when they were changing at 7 & 8 thounsadn RPM. When the manufacturer advises recommended rev ranges for gear shifting, and one mentions that they are exceeding this, of course I am going to be scepticle about the 'manufacturing fault' of the product. I am not saying that I don't take mine to it's limits, I do, and boy is it fun when I do, but I don't do it all the time. 'Budda' quoted about a guy 'thrashing' his Celica and doing 2 gearboxes. Of course thrashing the nuts from your car will do that. I know guys with all types of vehicles that flog 'em and f**k 'em. It is what happens. My point is this. If there is an issue with the vehicle that is causing the product to not behave or perform in a manner of which it was intended, then there are avenues to take. The Australian Competition & Consumer Commision (ACCC) and the Dept of Fair Trading (or equivelent) in each state are set up and designed to be there for these type of issues. A highly detailed letter theses organisations are exctremely effective when the manufacturer's do not want to hndle the issue themselves. If there is a sincere and genuine case, then you'll find a littel intervention will go a long way through these channels. I read posts about people wanting to shoot off letters to the papers and major auto mags about the problems. Of course Toyota won't assist. You have all but said you want to bad mouth them. Now I am not saying that my car will always be perfect and without fault, cause chances are that it won't, but my attitude towards it will be that of what I have just mentioned. It worked when my handbrake failed on my 2000 Corolla Levin and Toyota told me there was nothing wrong with it. It worked when I had a rattle in the rear of my 2000 Corolla Levin and Toyota said it was the muffler mount, and it turned out to be loose nuts on the rear strut tower. It worked when the power steering failed on my 1995 Lancer and Mitsubishi told me 'it was the way I drove it' which was ironic cause it was happening when I drove it out the showroom. And it worked when A-Mart All Sports ripped me off with overcharging me for a pair of sports shoes and made me pay Full Price for an advertised special because the girl at the counter told me I should have come back to rectify the situation on the day of the special, not when I was reading the ad the next day. I apologise if I offended anybody but please just read the emotions in some peoples posts and then relook at it from an unemotive point of view. This is what I have done as I have come into this group without issues, and seen the emotions of the poeple that are having them. My suggestion now is this. Why doesn't one person arrange to create a detailed inventory of anybody reporting these faults and issues on this forum, and write on massive letter to Toyota detailing each issue with the intention of requesting that they address and correct each fault & problem. If the response in return is not a positive outcome, then contact the ACCC or Fair Trading enmass and have them intervene. If no positive outcome is achieved, then I am in full support of getting Ray Martin in on the act.... Cheers all, and safe motoring Regards Aaron