Some one did make the comment in the forum earlier that it depends on the salesman and whether they have or have not reached their sales targets! I just shoppped around - remember there is always a better deal so if in doubt - just walk out ! RRP is just a list price - there is always plenty of room. i got a ascent sport hatch - $22.5k my friend got hers for same price. sportivo is a better option .. $5k more and u get ALOT more e.g. better engine, leather, climate, electrics, interior, zorst, bodykit, rims, etc WELL worth the $5k