my point is that re pete ... he does know what we are saying .. and not taking any offence to it .. now who came up with the price of the corolla ... its the same as your $40 question .. how long is a peice of string ... just thats the price .. In regards to blocking parts of the site and making ppl pay to access ... sure steve could do that .. but what he is doing is giving everyone access to it ... and the members "donate" for a good cause ... "what is a good cause??" well thats for you to decide ... Its like some places that have free lollies ..... but its up to you to put a 20c coin in ! ... get the point ..... do what you think is right ... and I will do what I think is right ... now .. the next issue !!!!!! .. Paying for friends ??? who said anything about that ... there is confusion .... this forum allows us to make new friends .. its just another benefit ... like info on cars or buy n sell .... you can pay for whatever you want ... the reason ppl donate to any cause is wide and varied ... paying for friendship is more like a dating site .. where you purposely pay to meet someone .. and is that right or wrong ... who knows ... so thats that ...