To be honest eggbert, every time a mod here does anything like deleting posts etc, all it leads to is another thread questioning why the posts were deleted, and then another thread questioning the mods, and then another one to elect new mods. The answer to this is creating a forum chatroom, where all online can chat to their hearts content, and those who dont want to, can steer clear of it. Easy. the request for a seperate area has already been made .... ITS WITH THE MODS AND STEVE ... what part of that dont people get ????? am i mumbling ???? do I stutter ??? what is the point of debating an issue that has already been debated and pending a result .... see the link for the previous debate .... http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/inde...?showtopic=6515