ok ok fine... its your choice... if you don't think its worth it, then noone can make you join up... we're just joking around anyway... if you don't join up, it makes no difference... the forum will keep running, and we'll all still be here... it just gives us something to do... having said that, i think its a good thing to support the club, and i don't do it for no flood control (i didnt even know that was a benefit till i joined), or for the subscribed member lounge or anything... i just did it cos i can spend $40 on something useless that will last me a few minutes, or an hour, or a week... or i can spend it on something that will keep going, and i will keep using, and enjoy... but george if you don't like us harrasing you then we'll stop... sorry man... we're just stuffing around...