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I guess I got one of the better deals out there. Talk about lucky. 3500SL... 18,000km on the clock, still under factory warranty with Toyota Service Advantage, immaculate... and under $36k. Sometimes you can be lucky. Yeah, i get what you're saying. It's just that the TRDs are still few and far between in Perth. Hey, i'd buy one in a flash but my SX6 is worthless as a trade and most people here seem to be keeping the good ones. TRD does lack an intercooler tho...

Dude, i'm in Perth also and have a SX6. I've also been looking at some of the cheap TRD's around the place too. Big thing to keep in mind is that i have found all the cheap one's have been in a smash. A red one i looked at a while ago - they said was cheap because of high KM's. That was bull. The bonnet didn't line up, there was damage on the under side of the drivers side skirt and the drivers door didn't line up. Repairs are hard to spot some times but why sell a $40K + car for under $36K or so. I opted to keep mine too cos i have the factory extended warranty plus no prangs. The silver one you're talking about is a a dodgy wholesale yard too. Why do they have it? Repo maybe? If you're lucky. Good luck to you tho. Hope you find a good one.

Hey all I'm not going to argue the point either way cos i don't really care... The idea/benefit/advantage (or however you want to put it) of Front Wheel Drive cars is that there is less drive train to run the car. IE No driveshaft, rear diff, axels, etc etc. Thus saving material (cost), weight (fuel economy & handling kinda), and generally quieter ride and increased rear passenger leg room. Which is BETTER... FWD or RWD? Good luck with that... I might add tho that one of the safest cars in the world (Volvo) went FWD a long time ago then AWD with their high performance models. I think from a manufacturers and some consumers perspective is that understeer is more predictable and thus controllable that oversteer. FUN factor and general handling is a whole other issue i think. My honest opinion is in this day and age with the technology available, ALL CARS MID SIZE CARS AND UP should be AWD FULL STOP. That's just what i think.

All i can say is that you clowns bought the wrong car... The Aurion is great for what it is. This means, compared to other cars in it's price range and class, it is still one of the best. The base model Aurion is still quicker, more economical and cheaper than the new Flacon, and in spite of the stupid ANCAP rating the base model Aurion is actually safer than the base model Falcon. The base model falcon doesn't have side curtin airbags and in fact, only got the 5 star ANCAP rating because of all the silly alarms and seatbelt warning buzzers. Equipment that doesn't physically help to save your life in an accident. Comparing it to a newer model Honda for $10,000 more isn't exactly fair either and if you wanted a rear wheel drive with a manual gear box you should have bought a falcon or commodore. It's like saying i wish it were a ferrari for $25,000... The car drives and launches just fine in Auto mode anyway. Why are you manually shifting and automatic car? The manual mode on the aurion was only designed for towing and down hill driving. It's only supposed to be used to over ride the gearbox in these situations. The manual shift mode is a gear selection limiter, meaning if you put it in 4th gear it will still use gears 1 through 4 and so on. The gearbox will not hold a single gear, it will use all the gears up to the one you have selected. This is to assist in low speed driving, towing and engine braking. So if you're driving around at 60kph and want good response from your car then you put it in 4th gear - this way when you accelerate there is less kick down required. All i hate is the massive "A" pillars. They take a bit to get used to but for the money i payed it was the best car at the time...

Yeah, detectors are still legal in WA. The idea of jammer is once the alarm sounds, you reduce speed to the legal limit, then turn the unit off to allow the police to get a desirable reading. As you can see in the clip below there is an on/off switch and an independent alarm for the jammer from the detector. Don't just keep jamming the cops until you're right on top of them, that's just plain stupid. This hint is also given by the manufacturer of the unit anyway. Correct me if i'm wrong but this dude has a Valentine One radar detector as well. Please wait a few seconds for Video to Load!

Dude, try http://www.delonixradar.com.au/western_australia/ Scroll to the bottom of the page for results. The rest is pretty interesting reading tho. The Valentine 1 is the best on the market as far as i am aware. You could also try the Blinder laser jammer available from the same site. Please wait a few seconds for Video to Load!Some people use both... Please wait a few seconds for Video to Load!

Na mate, wouldn't have a clue. I'm in Perth...

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Looks like you need to insert the correct map disk... :D

Yeah, that'd be about right ROFL...

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By the way, I do have Scott Coopers permission to use his web address as my auto signature...

No worries, also see: These clips are from DJKOR (resident Aurion expert in the Forums - Well he's my guru anyway) Please wait a few seconds for Video to Load!and Please wait a few seconds for Video to Load!

Check this thread: http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/inde...showtopic=15546 The unit is available from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/auspacks/productPage9.html

Like i said before... Also check this site for more relevant informtion Scroll half way down the page to show "How do Police Radar, Laser & Speed Cameras make mistakes" http://www.delonixradar.com.au/western_australia/#camera Go back to the main page to get information for your state.

Not trying to be a d!ck, but let's put it this way. Why is it more risky to run through an office than outside? It's more a case of: "85th percentile rule Traffic engineers may rely on the 85th percentile rule[11][12] to establish speed limits. The speed limit should be set to the speed that separates the bottom 85% of vehicle speeds from the top 15%. The 85th percentile is slightly greater than a speed that is one standard deviation above the mean of a normal distribution. The theory is that traffic laws that reflect the behavior of the majority of motorists may have better compliance than laws that arbitrarily criminalize the majority of motorists and encourage violations. The latter kinds of laws lack public support and often fail to bring about desirable changes in driving behavior. An example is United States's old 55 mph (90 km/h) speed limit that was removed in part because of notoriously low compliance. Most U.S. jurisdictions report using the 85th percentile speed as the basis for their speed limits, so the 85th-percentile speed and speed limits should be closely matched. However, a review of available speed studies demonstrates that the posted speed limit is almost always set well below the 85th-percentile speed by as much as 8 to 12 mph (see p.88) (13 to 19 km/h). Some reasons for this include: * Political or bureaucratic resistance to higher limits. * Statutes that restrict jurisdictions from posting higher limits." From Wikipedia.com And lets not forget (the safety factor?): "Variable speed limits Recently some jurisdictions have begun experimenting with variable speed limits which change with road congestion and other factors (this is distinct from France's reduction of limits during adverse weather). One example is on Britain's M25 motorway, which circumnavigates London. On the most heavily-traveled 22 km section (junction 10 to 16) of the M25 variable speed limits combined with automated enforcement have been in force since 1995. Initial results indicated savings in journey times, smoother-flowing traffic, and a fall in the number of accidents, so the implementation was made permanent in 1997. Further trials on the M25 have been thus far proved inconclusive.[14] In Germany, the first experiments with variable signs took place in 1965 on A8 Munich-Salzburg with signs that were operated manually.[15] Beginning in the 1970s, more and more advanced Streckenbeeinflussungsanlagen (linear control systems) were put into service. Modern motorway control systems can work without human intervention using various types of sensors to measure traffic flow and weather conditions. By 2007, 1200 km (10 %) of German motorways will be equipped with such systems.[16] In 2006, Austria began experimenting with a 160 km/h (100 mph) speed limit on a selected test stretch of Autobahn as part of their program of variable speed limit, using the slogan "flexibility with responsibility." New Zealand has had variable speed limits since 2001. The first installation was on the Ngauranga Gorge, a steep section of dual carriageway on SH1 north of the capital, Wellington. The speed limit is normally 80 km/h. The downhill section is monitored by a fixed speed camera. In The Netherlands, much of the dense motorway network is equipped with variable speed regulation systems. The electronic signage is commonly posted every 500 metres. The system keeps track of all traffic movement and lowers the speed limit if it detects the start of traffic congestion. When activated the speed limit can be set at 90, 70, or 50 km/h according to the level of expected traffic congestion. Variable speed limits are used on some stretches of highway in the United States. This has not, however, been implemented on a national basis. On Interstate 90 at Snoqualmie Pass, Washington, (near Seattle) variable speed limits are used to slow traffic in severe winter weather. This is also done on other mountain passes in Washington.[17] Variable speed limit signs, in combination with variable message signs, have been in use since the 1960s on the New Jersey Turnpike, where officials can adjust the speed limit according to weather, traffic conditions, and construction. Other roadways with variable speed limits include the Pulaski Skyway in New Jersey and I-495 in Delaware." From Wikipedia.com Australia is going BACKWARDS with speed regulating laws. Let's drive slower to save lives? It adds to fatigue, boredom and lack of concentration. You yourself (DJKOR) were a very unfortunate victim of this. Glad you're okay and your car's all good now btw. Note the minimum speed as well...

Come on DJ, i have more faith in you than thinking you actually beleive that... In actual fact: Sweep Error: (also known as pan or slip error) - Is manifested when the laser is aimed at one part of the vehicle, say the license plate, and due to the motion of the operator, the laser also targets a side mirror during the same trigger pull. Sweep Error adds to the real speed of the target vehicle Also watch part 2 Please wait a few seconds for Video to Load!

Also check this site for more relevant informtion Scroll half way down the page to show "How do Police Radar, Laser & Speed Cameras make mistakes" http://www.delonixradar.com.au/western_australia/#camera

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yup, from what i know. Call your lawyer if you really care about the demerit points, IF not, just pay it rather than wasting time on this small matter No offence dude, but that's exactly what they want you to do. From Speeding Fine Consultants (.COM) "If you cop a speeding fine and it is in the low offence range, costing up to $200, Motorists assume that to just pay it and get it out of the road is the best option. You need to be aware that unlike points racked up in a 3 year period, each time you are fined it goes down as a black mark on your driving history… for life. What you may also not be aware of is that you are supposed to notify your vehicle comprehensive insurance company each and every time you get booked or commit a traffic offence and have either been convicted of it or simply paid the fine." Every fine is worth fighting because it's a biased and corrupt system and your insurance company will penalise you as well. I'm not condoning speeding by any means by the way but the fact of the matter is: "Quoting directly from confidential Standard speed Enforcement Operations manual, the bible that the police are obliged to act under, he revealed that the whole thing was nothing but a huge cheat. That operations manual states clearly, “Speed cameras must only be used in accordance with the original site criteria. If any of the conditions of the road change significantly, such as; Speed zone; Roadworks Number of lanes; The speed camera is not to be used for enforcement purposes." Speeding, as such is relative. 110kmh on a country road is legal (and therefore safe?). Yet 110kmh in an 80 zone is highly illegal... why is it an 80 zone in the first place, why not 90kmh? The speed kills mentality is a joke. "In 1997 the American president realised that the entire public highway system and speed limits were run by the major insurance conglomerates. In an effort to eliminate this imbalance he actually raised the speed limit quite substantially. A remarkable thing then happened. The road toll dropped immediately to its lowest in recorded History [sic 1965] and has stayed down ever since. Likewise accidents, insurance claims and time spent on the roads."

And yeah, the Speed Detection technology used my roadside cameras can detect proceeding and receding speeds. However inaccurate they are... From the site below: "You are being conned out of over $2Billion a year and many of you are losing your licenses to dodgy police practices. Here at Speeding Fine Consultants, Scott Cooper has been telling motorists this fact for years and now…the proof is out there. There are several important points you need to watch out for in all radar bookings and the most important of them is police concealment. In all cases whether it be Lidar/Laser, mobile radar or speed camera, their guidelines state that they must not be concealed. Further those same guidelines state that the police vehicles must be fully marked police vehicles with their warning lights and overhead lights on! Those guidelines are emplaced to give motorists early warning that they are there and we all know just how they hide behind bushes, bustops and anything handy and deliberately park their cars up driveways and around corners…. The second important point to remember is … hills and bends. They are not allowed to operate on either. Third point is that if you are photographed by a speed camera head on, especially at night, it is illegal for them to do so. In fact be suspicious of any front on speed camera booking and check to see if the “Camera in use” sign has been put out on the opposite side of the road as well as the camera side. The reality is that just about all speed cameras are set up to shoot you from behind only. In that mode they will photograph vehicles coming from the opposite direction if they break the radar beam but it will be a false and erroneous reading if the camera has not been set up correctly to photograph both oncoming and departing traffic."

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Yeah, i would have to agree with that. What turned me off the ZR6 (aside from the price) was that the SAT NAT was still an optional extra. Even a Blue Tooth compatible head unit was extra again... The TRD should have been based on the top model Aurion. All that money and no decent head unit? WTF...

The other thing to keep in mind is that it's the end of the year. The dealers will want to off load the 2008 stock before the Christmas rush and 2009 hits. Any left overs will be even cheaper again because they will then be last years model. Anyone tempted to buy should probably hold off until the start of next year for this reason. Well, in my opinion anyway. Personally i'd rather the new Ralliart Lancer...

Maybe it's just me, but most of the lowered cars i've seen have the back wheels almost inside the guards and the fronts have a tiny bit more of a gap... I gotta lay of the hallucinogens i think I stand corrected.