thanks guys for the replies
not one says its not worth it, so iam gonna order them, iam buying it from a trader on ozhonda, i didnt want black on black, if i have silver car i probably get the limited edition matt black, but yeah....still trying to decide to get gun metal or white, i like white just that little bit over the gun metal, but i have a black car, thats a pain to keep a clean and if i get white rims, than would be an even bigger pain to keep it clean , i thought they're made in japan, it says on the rim, but thats probably the qf (forged version) i cant tell the difference between the two :D