just the normal lows, the lovel lows are maybe a bees ***** lower than the king springs... I've found they sit higher. The Lovells Super Low's are a 65mm drop too from memory. I lol'd at that. 50mm drop on Kings are fine if the shocks are replaced with suitable units. I had king lows before i put the lovels on, and the lovels sit lower, plus the guy that works for whiteline that i bought them from told me they're lower too. superlows are only for show... my reasons: illegal height , reduced suspension travel all so people on the outside of the car can laugh at you because your car is stupidly low and you have to put up with a harsh ride , just for that reason seems pointless to me The height isn't illegal on AS IF's chassis type with a 50mm drop. The suspension travel is maintained and even improved if you swap in the correct shocks (KYB's or Koni's as an example). It's not stupidly low for us. It sits nicely. (I had lovells sports lows in my sportivo. It still looked like a truck). Having a decent ride height is important for reducing bodyroll, but not eliminating it completely. The ride isn't that harsh. I have 32 way adjustable coilovers in mine and I don't need kidney braces. I have around 1 1/2 fingers worth of play between the tyre and the guard and it handles like a dream without any harshness. Fair enough I can't go up gutters etc, but why the hell would I with jdm rims lol. Not having a stab, that's just my 2c with this chassis type specifically.