just because an engine revs to 8000 rpm doesnt mean its going to be quicker than an engine that cuts out at 6500 rpm i doubt they would actually make much power right up top plus with all the fancy **** these new engine have there better then older (some) ones imo He never said quicker (and if you look at 4AGEs they make power all the way to redline - max power for a blacktop 20V (which fillit used to drive) was at 7,800rpm, for instance), just more life. I agree with him too, whilst the newer Corollas are decent lookers, practical, cheap to run and can be made relatively fun and quick to drive, they do lack a fair chunk of the soul that went into the older ones. Just look at what you had in the 90s that you don't get now - IRS (combined with a potent chassis and excellent brakes), 2-door coupes, quad-throttle 20v engines revving their rings off, supercharger option (in the 101s), race-designed suspension (Superstrut), the list goes on. Corollas these days are designed to be an A-to-B car (well, they always have been to an extent), but fundamental design, spec and style changes means that they will never live up to the reputation of the older models. If your the sort of person who likes what the old models delivered, then chances are the new ones will leave you feeling a little disappointed, flat, and missing that sense of satisfaction, regardless of how practical, comfortable, reliable and cheap they are to own. well thats fair enough to be honest i havent owned a older model and havent driven a car with a 4age i have driven cars that rev to 8k rpm though (swift gti) which is fun but just because a car only revs to 6.5k doesnt mean thats a bad thing. thats the thing with new cars though pretty much all makers are now focusing way too much time on fuel economy and ways to make them cheaper and ride better which does mean they arent going to live up to the older models that did have more of a all round good performance. Thanks Hiro, Yes, car hitting 8000 doesn't mean it's faster, my s14 was about 6.5 - 7 i think? and it was a rocketship. If toyota made a car which revs to 6.5 but was torquey enough to throw me into the back of my seat I'm all for it. However when you've experienced a 4AGE with ITBS, massive intake and full exhaust screaming to 8000, it's a pretty damn good feeling. Add in a tunnel blast or two and you will never look back. The corollas which are made now are just econoboxes :( there's no feel in the car, in response, steering, sound etc. I drove a ZRE around sydney for a few days and it felt incredibly bland. Indifferent to anything else on the market.