Thank you very much julz, 112 and SB. julz - i think #2 Stanton Rd Tingalpa would be a great place, but that gate is a bit of a problem - Nebo is very dark and if we didnt go to hard on the way up there there wouldnt be to much dust/break dust/bugs on the car, how many people go there tho? 112 - that is a perfect place but isnt it lit up? and how would security appreciate that? - Cabbage tree boad ramp is a good spot taht and jacobs well area where my 1st thoughts SB - Yes i was planning on seperating us some of the people on there are sensible but there is some real fuqheads in the mitst of them!!!! - have you been to this spot at night? and there is no lights at all? and how aften does it get during the night, obviouly not very often? main choices are 1. Cabbage tree/jacobs well area 2. Shultz's canal boat ramp 3. Nebo please tell us ur preferances and why thank you