what engine coolant temp was logged on the stock ECU'd car in the two runs? Was it even recorded with an obd2 scanner? was it the same filter? was the Ecu reset before each run? I'll tell you all what I'm prepared to offer.... If someone has a sportivo, and can supply a TRD intake and CES intake and any other intake you like, I will personally pay to have them dyno tested on an independant dyno at Crossley Street and Race engineering on their current dyno dynamics machine in shootout mode in a proper controlled environment. eg, same filter, same engine temp via scan tool, same intake temp, ecu reset before each run, same fuel used, same mufflers used, EVERYTHING controlled. Coolant temp alone makes at least a 4kw difference with the stock ECU. i think that's a good idea. sounds like a fair deal. anyone up for it? i dunno shao not sure if theyd be up for it, all they seem to do is talk... mate put simply...your a *****.....find me a CES customer that has not been happy with their products....cause so far there have been none....we dont need to get on here to show off our cars cause we have compensation issues, we do it to give the rest of the rolla guys the info that we get asked for time and time again, the QLD guys could have kept this quiet and said zip, BUT we didn't we posted up the info on the best exhaust made for our cars and im sure there are few members who have done the research and will tell you this is the case, whether or not you choose to buy or not is up to you, getting on here and talking **** about things you know nothing about only goes to show how little you really know.... and as said all along, take it or leave it, its no skin off my nose if you buy the stuff or not...