UK 2ZZ-GE turbo project

[scott5]

O yess :D thanks mate

[xoom]

Looks good man ...... Is that the E153 or the stocker bolted up ?

If its the E153 how does it sit in comparison to the stocker dimensions wise?

[scott5]

Its still standered thats bolted in at the moment xoom am still saving up for the e153 conversion. I will run the engine in then buy the conversion because when it goes in for the final map.. i dont think it will last 2mins lol

[xoom]

Its still standered thats bolted in at the moment xoom am still saving up for the e153 conversion. I will run the engine in then buy the conversion because when it goes in for the final map.. i dont think it will last 2mins lol

LOL .... the stock gearbox isnt that weak ..... its not made from paper :P :P :P ...... its more the repeated high power runs and repeated launches and driving it hard that will eventually kill it ...... I drove mine for a year or 2 i think if not a bit more and even did a few drag events before it caved in .... and really its only 1 gear for me that kicked it .... 3rd .... MWR killed both 3rd and 4th but that was in their 10 sec celica. Thats why i am now running the JUBU upgraded gears for 3rd and 4th n lets c how they go ..... knock on wood so far so good .... i should also mentioned i had the other gears & internal shafts put through the engineering treatment of shot peaning and cyro treating etc etc as well ...... So its more when boost comes on strong and it hooks up that there is a slight flexing in the shafts which is why is chops 3rd and 4th.

[scott5]

Its still standered thats bolted in at the moment xoom am still saving up for the e153 conversion. I will run the engine in then buy the conversion because when it goes in for the final map.. i dont think it will last 2mins lol

LOL .... the stock gearbox isnt that weak ..... its not made from paper :P :P :P ...... its more the repeated high power runs and repeated launches and driving it hard that will eventually kill it ...... I drove mine for a year or 2 i think if not a bit more and even did a few drag events before it caved in .... and really its only 1 gear for me that kicked it .... 3rd .... MWR killed both 3rd and 4th but that was in their 10 sec celica. Thats why i am now running the JUBU upgraded gears for 3rd and 4th n lets c how they go ..... knock on wood so far so good .... i should also mentioned i had the other gears & internal shafts put through the engineering treatment of shot peaning and cyro treating etc etc as well ...... So its more when boost comes on strong and it hooks up that there is a slight flexing in the shafts which is why is chops 3rd and 4th.

lol well maybe the gearbox isnt that bad lol but i do have really heavy foot for a small guy lol .. dont want to jink your car but how long have you run with your gear box modified to that set up ? i always thought bout keeping the standered box but getting it shot peaned ect like you mentioned and maybe a better set of gears but i didnt want to spend that money when i could have bought the E153 gear box and it still goes ?

[SuperDave]

With the torque spread of the turbo, and the power, the longer gears in the E153 would be better suited than the stock box anyway I would have thought. I don't think the E153 was an option when Bill started building his box.

[scott5]

With the torque spread of the turbo, and the power, the longer gears in the E153 would be better suited than the stock box anyway I would have thought. I don't think the E153 was an option when Bill started building his box.

i would think so aswell super dave. Possably not i know bill has had his for a while now and the conversion kits has really been out to long

[xoom]

lol well maybe the gearbox isnt that bad lol but i do have really heavy foot for a small guy lol .. dont want to jink your car but how long have you run with your gear box modified to that set up ? i always thought bout keeping the standered box but getting it shot peaned ect like you mentioned and maybe a better set of gears but i didnt want to spend that money when i could have bought the E153 gear box and it still goes ?

i had the car running for about 18mths with everything cyro'ed and treated .... then it developed a click into 3rd gear ..... dont know what it was ..... so i figured if we are pullin it apart i might as well throw the jubu gear in ..... did this in nov last year ..... wen we had it all apart there was nothing wrong ... syncro's were fine, gear itself was fine ..... was just bizar ..... only thing we could think of was due to the way my selector cables run and the mount of the turbo there was pressure being put on the selecter cables ..... so this time around we have routed the cables a little different and so far so good .... knock on wood. One thing i did notice though is the car needs to get warm and in running temps before shifts smoothen out ..... not that im nailing it wen its cold but its a bit notchy when cold then once warm its gone ..... or if i shift by letting the revs drop completely then the notchyness is also not present ..... meh i warm it up a bit more before i drive.

And yeah the E153 conversion kit wasnt available until late last year which was way after i finished with the car ..... plus doing what i did is obviously cheaper than the setup ....... will c how this goes before taking it to the next level i think

[scott5]

hi guys not been on hear for a while as am in the middle of having 3 ops on my knees lol to much sport lol anyway the car is looking **** hot with everything bolted up. the car has sat like this for 3 weeks but am slowly recovering from the first opp and might push on with the car before the next opp so hears how its looking :D

[scott5]

lol well maybe the gearbox isnt that bad lol but i do have really heavy foot for a small guy lol .. dont want to jink your car but how long have you run with your gear box modified to that set up ? i always thought bout keeping the standered box but getting it shot peaned ect like you mentioned and maybe a better set of gears but i didnt want to spend that money when i could have bought the E153 gear box and it still goes ?

i had the car running for about 18mths with everything cyro'ed and treated .... then it developed a click into 3rd gear ..... dont know what it was ..... so i figured if we are pullin it apart i might as well throw the jubu gear in ..... did this in nov last year ..... wen we had it all apart there was nothing wrong ... syncro's were fine, gear itself was fine ..... was just bizar ..... only thing we could think of was due to the way my selector cables run and the mount of the turbo there was pressure being put on the selecter cables ..... so this time around we have routed the cables a little different and so far so good .... knock on wood. One thing i did notice though is the car needs to get warm and in running temps before shifts smoothen out ..... not that im nailing it wen its cold but its a bit notchy when cold then once warm its gone ..... or if i shift by letting the revs drop completely then the notchyness is also not present ..... meh i warm it up a bit more before i drive.

And yeah the E153 conversion kit wasnt available until late last year which was way after i finished with the car ..... plus doing what i did is obviously cheaper than the setup ....... will c how this goes before taking it to the next level i think

thanks for the info mate :)

[scott5]

hi guys not been on hear for a while just had an operation on my knee. but i am back on my feet again. i have now got a turbo, external wastegate. hears some pictures :)

[scott5]

i also got a huge roll of high temp heat shield like what Zoom has at the back of his engine :) i will nee to make a start to making a manifold and a exhaust system. once i am finished i will have them ceramic coated to keep the heat temperature down in the engine bay :)

[trentmeyer23]

Nice!!!

[xoom]

good stuff mate .... u might also want to look into a power steering oil cooler .... all depends on how the plumbing looks .... also remind me what turbo did you end up going for ? 3071 or 3076 ? and which variant as there are a few models in that range.

[GHOSTIVO]

coming along nicely..

[scott5]

good stuff mate .... u might also want to look into a power steering oil cooler .... all depends on how the plumbing looks .... also remind me what turbo did you end up going for ? 3071 or 3076 ? and which variant as there are a few models in that range.

hey dude the UK corollas don't use fluid steering racks, there full electronic :). i ended up going for a GT3582 (2)

0.70 inlet A/R and a 0.82exhaust A/R,

Can i ask how you piped up your inter cooler dude? did you run the pipes under the head light? this is what i am thinking of doing if possible :)

[xoom]

ah thats right .... totally forgot .... well thats 1 head f@#$K you will not have to think about.

man thats a big turbo .... gonna produce some hardcore power if all is setup right ..... only thing might be is day in day out driving might be a hassle because u will probably need to get the revs up to get the boost coming on but once it hits ..... ill tell u wat u sure are going to feel it.

regarding the IC piping if you are not running the moroso oil pan from MWR then you could clock the turbo so the intake side points straight down then basically run the piping under the engine ..... from memory there is enough room down that route if you dont have the pan ..... if you do then you could try and do what i did but i warn you you are going to have an absolute sh!t fight with the air filter piping going to the side of the turbo depending on where your manifold sits the turbo in relation to the selector cables and their bracket ..... it is a very very very tight fit to the point where i almost had to re-design the entire piping because of this ..... see my pics here:

You may have mentioned this before but i speak to so many people about their conversions ..... where are you mounting the turbo ? was it going to be above the box or behind the engine ? knowing this will also help make some decisions.

[scott5]

ah thats right .... totally forgot .... well thats 1 head f@#$K you will not have to think about.

man thats a big turbo .... gonna produce some hardcore power if all is setup right ..... only thing might be is day in day out driving might be a hassle because u will probably need to get the revs up to get the boost coming on but once it hits ..... ill tell u wat u sure are going to feel it.

regarding the IC piping if you are not running the moroso oil pan from MWR then you could clock the turbo so the intake side points straight down then basically run the piping under the engine ..... from memory there is enough room down that route if you dont have the pan ..... if you do then you could try and do what i did but i warn you you are going to have an absolute sh!t fight with the air filter piping going to the side of the turbo depending on where your manifold sits the turbo in relation to the selector cables and their bracket ..... it is a very very very tight fit to the point where i almost had to re-design the entire piping because of this ..... see my pics here: http://au.toyotaowne...post__p__209356

You may have mentioned this before but i speak to so many people about their conversions ..... where are you mounting the turbo ? was it going to be above the box or behind the engine ? knowing this will also help make some decisions.

yeah dude will make crazy power which is what am aiming for, it wont be an every day car dude just track and drag and a weekend car for fun:)

ahh i see how you have done your IC pipes now , at the moment i am not using a moroso oil pan , but i will be before i go into any harsh driving around the track ETC.

ill be making a side winder manifold with the turbo above the gear box and the compressor facing forward if you get what i am meaning? lol sorry if thats a bad description ... An intake shouldn't be to bad to do but it was just the pipe coming from the turbo to the inter cooler was trying to think how to do go about piping it but from your pictures i have an idea that could work that i will try tomorrow lol.

What ECU would you recommend to a build like this?

appreciate your help zoom :) and everyone else:)

thanks scott

[CHA54]

any of the current range of modern ECU's should be able to do the job. I had a Vipec V44 for mine but managed to get a cheap Link G4 Extreme on ebay so I'm now using that instead.

It has a lot of advantages over a powerfc, some being:

• closed loop boost control using just a mac valve. This can be based on gear, speed, rpm etc... I'm using gear-based myself for traction in lower gears.
  
• closed loop knock control
  
• Launch Control
  
• Onboard datalogging
  
• MAF deletion - the links and vipec's can retain the MAF if you want, I've gone with a MAP sensor and intake air temp sensor in the plenum.
  
• user definable closed loop fuel control
  
• flex-fuel compatibility, you can add an ethanol content sensor to your fuel system which gets wired to the ECU, then you can set the maps up to adjust fuel and timing based on the ethanol content and temperature of the fuel.
  
• No need for an FC Datalogit or FC-Hako for laptop connectivity/data logging
  
• additional outputs can be configured for whatever you want, waterspray, shift ligts, warning lights etc.
  

Find a tuner you trust with your engine and see what they recommend.

[xoom]

im currently using the apexi power FC however currently on the market there are far more options available that can do as good and a better job

Find a tuner you trust with your engine and see what they recommend.

to jason's point ..... at the time i did my setup as i said there wasnt much on the market that people had actual experience with especially with a 2zz ..... so the tuner that did my car was a wizard with the PFC and so that swayed the options and to be honest i wasnt too keen on experimenting ...... but yeah far more available on the market now and i think jason has given you a few options ..... but as stated find a tuner and see what they are good with ...... although the ECU isnt that expensive losing an engine due to lack of experience is an expensive exercise.

[scott5]

any of the current range of modern ECU's should be able to do the job. I had a Vipec V44 for mine but managed to get a cheap Link G4 Extreme on ebay so I'm now using that instead.

It has a lot of advantages over a powerfc, some being:

• closed loop boost control using just a mac valve. This can be based on gear, speed, rpm etc... I'm using gear-based myself for traction in lower gears.
  
• closed loop knock control
  
• Launch Control
  
• Onboard datalogging
  
• MAF deletion - the links and vipec's can retain the MAF if you want, I've gone with a MAP sensor and intake air temp sensor in the plenum.
  
• user definable closed loop fuel control
  
• flex-fuel compatibility, you can add an ethanol content sensor to your fuel system which gets wired to the ECU, then you can set the maps up to adjust fuel and timing based on the ethanol content and temperature of the fuel.
  
• No need for an FC Datalogit or FC-Hako for laptop connectivity/data logging
  
• additional outputs can be configured for whatever you want, waterspray, shift ligts, warning lights etc.
  

Find a tuner you trust with your engine and see what they recommend.

im currently using the apexi power FC however currently on the market there are far more options available that can do as good and a better job

Find a tuner you trust with your engine and see what they recommend.

to jason's point ..... at the time i did my setup as i said there wasnt much on the market that people had actual experience with especially with a 2zz ..... so the tuner that did my car was a wizard with the PFC and so that swayed the options and to be honest i wasnt too keen on experimenting ...... but yeah far more available on the market now and i think jason has given you a few options ..... but as stated find a tuner and see what they are good with ...... although the ECU isnt that expensive losing an engine due to lack of experience is an expensive exercise.

thanks for the info guys, I do like the link G4, i never new on the G4 you were able to wire sensors to the fuel sytem to tell the ECU the ethanol content, which is handy for me to know as i might be going down the E85 route aswell ,yes your probably write there is a tuner near me who is one of the best in britain, i will be going to see him soon and find out what he thinks for the extras i am wanting to use if possible :D .. i will keep you guys posted on this :)

thanks Scott

[scott5]

my car domain page if any one interested :) http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3978130/2004-toyota-corolla