"lol, hardly. The background in your avatar (or, well, the previous one) looks a lot like the up the bluff or around Coles Beach road area. And judging by your ride, I assume you'd be the fella I was talking to in at Gowans a few weeks ago. On topic, there was similar debate regarding the legality of fog lamps a couple of years ago. Supposedly they were illegal to use (foggy or not) unless they were the ones with those yellow covers that stop glare or whatever they are designed to do, like the ones fitted on those police SUV's that are getting around town. Those arguing they were illegal maintained that although they were illegal, if they were a factory standard accessory that came on the car, the cops could hardly expect you to take them off. But I wonder whether these Audi style light strips would fall into a similar category as underglows, led valve caps, light up window washers, etc." O yep im with you now lol and your dad has the 1GR-FE V6 Hilux SR5 yeah? && your spot on the previous pic was taken at the mouth of the Don near the old gun club and the current one is from Coles beach as you thought. mmm might have to do some homework before i go any further then :S DJ: cheers dude i thought that was the go lol