Im sorry but I still dont believe you, its not that it sounds impossible, it is because it is impossible (Talking about your claims of beating newer Commodores and Falcons here.... VL's are a POS). I am aware of the weight difference, thats why I mentioned before off the line you may get them... but once the power gets down, no matter how skillful a driver you are (not that this is even an issue with an auto) you are not going to beat cars with alot more power and torque then yours. Here is the 'technical side', power to weigh ratios (not considering the massive amounts of torque they have over the SV21 Camry): Your Camry 12.84kg per 1kw VL Commodore 11kg per 1kw ^ Beatable with your car - although I will say, 2kg difference doesnt seem like much, but it is alot 2000 Falcon 9.59kg per 1kw ^ Absolutely no chance - they also have literally over double the torque of your Camry thank you. a man who backs his comments with technical stats. unlike some people.