sorry for all the fuss, it was me that brought up the whole idea... and i'm not picking sides, i only brought it up cause you guys asked for our opinon,,, i'm all up for a cruz and beer's (beers for sure :D ) but i thought it would be a good idea if we as a group did some club events every now and then, like skyline aus and nissan slivia do. so that way we can find out what really works on our cars and what dosen't. and track days are very social, sorry for all the fuss,,, lets just drop it and move on ay, wil