it's only a mazda, wat are YOU expecting. are u saying your SP23 "powerhouse" should kick the RX8 as well, coz of all the torque u have? u need to wake up to reality, too. there are different types of drivers, different cars for different purposes. ← two diff types come to mind, 1) Corolla Sportivo, main plus is that its faster then the SP23 2) SP23, main plus is that its slower then the Sportivo. also i have seen SP23's get beaten by 1zz-fe's so dont get too excited...