you are nieve if you think that a place like CES is gonna give up all the details of there exhuast after putting in the R&D work, go to your local hi-end exhaust shop and ask them for all the detials on one of there own systems, dont be surprised when they tell you jack ****, CES systems start from just under $1,000, if you all things like 100% S'Steel and S'Steel tips you are getting up to the $1,200 mark.