I agree the General Discussion and General Chat Forums need a reshuffling. There are too many off topic threads in the Discussion Forum that are whoring it up, that belong in the chat forum and vice versa too. Pete, this will be a general comment, not aimed at you as you have improved a lot, but I'll use you as an example. In the early days of your time on the forum you were adding your comments ie 'good idea' or 'that's nice' etc which add no real insight or value to the discussion except if the person has specifically asked for those opinions. These need to stop unless they are asked for. There are things like the picture only threads <_< that have 4 pictures per page and the rest is just whored up space, keep it to the pictures like is asked... You say it adds to the enjoyment to be able to whore, and I don't disagree, but there is a place for it, there are specific topics. If you want to chit chat, keep it there, otherwise, stay as close to the topic line as you can. What you guys fail to see here is that if we are able to weed out whoring from the topic specific forums we could have one of the most informative forums going around. But to do this the discussion needs to be condensed and stay on topic. I'm not one for closing threads as soon as they go off topic like other forums do, as it prevents more from being added should new information arise, but some sort of arrangement needs to be reached on how to deal with it. The level of coverage on 1ZZ and 2ZZ engines rivals that of new celica and others, things just need to be organised and easy to find. Northy has done a great job in simplifying things to date with the commonly asked topic sticky, but more thing can always be added and other things improved, I guess it's just a matter of finding the right balance... ...sorry for the long post, but I felt I needed to clarify my end of the discussion as the thread starter. oh well... end rant :P