Lowering

[!*heatseca*!]

Just wanted someone to clarify a few things...

If one wanted to lower their rolla, they could just get some lowered springs...

Now....

Does this really kill the shocks in the ZZ122R rolla? Or, is there an advisable height that one shouldn't go lower to save their shocks?

I'm aware coilovers are the shock and spring in one so you dont have to worry about that if you're getting coilovers, but for us cheapskates who just wanna get low, and just do the springs, whats rule of thumb?

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Edited June 1, 2005 by !*heatseca*!

[DANZZT231]

So far, lovells spring can drop it the lowest, 2.4' front and 2.6' rear.

Your strut will die sooner than standard, depending on how you drive it also. There is no specific rule of thumb, but as a lo-rider, u have to be able to pilot your car to avoid holes and gentle on speedhumps. and since the shock travel is shorter, so you bet is going to be rougher than standard.

[LTS60]

"search" button is magic sometimes :P

[kcorro]

coilover shocks die too! they leak and you can replace and rebuild them

[!*heatseca*!]

coilover shocks die too! they leak and you can replace and rebuild them

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So the ultimate answer is to just fork out the dough, get adjustable shocks with the springs so that the whole suspensions system lasts?

[shaohaok]

coilover shocks die too! they leak and you can replace and rebuild them

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So the ultimate answer is to just fork out the dough, get adjustable shocks with the springs so that the whole suspensions system lasts?

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i think what kcorro is trying to say is that any shocks will die eventually...

[!*heatseca*!]

coilover shocks die too! they leak and you can replace and rebuild them

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So the ultimate answer is to just fork out the dough, get adjustable shocks with the springs so that the whole suspensions system lasts?

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i think what kcorro is trying to say is that any shocks will die eventually...

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I just dont want to send mine to an early death by just getting springs...

I was considering Eibach or equivalent on stock shocks but i dont want to replace them after a few months of lowering. Been reading around on older posts, but its hard to make a definate decision...

[Northy]

if you lower your car on stock shocks you will kill them sooner then if you used stock springs, If you get new shocks/springs at the same time they will last longer but in the end they will need replacing thats basically it

[shaohaok]

coilover shocks die too! they leak and you can replace and rebuild them

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So the ultimate answer is to just fork out the dough, get adjustable shocks with the springs so that the whole suspensions system lasts?

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i think what kcorro is trying to say is that any shocks will die eventually...

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I just dont want to send mine to an early death by just getting springs...

I was considering Eibach or equivalent on stock shocks but i dont want to replace them after a few months of lowering. Been reading around on older posts, but its hard to make a definate decision...

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look man, it's very simple.

if u wanna lower your car properly to a good-looking ride height, eg -30mm or more, your shocks WILL die REAL soon. if u don't want to replace the shock after a few months of lowering, then don't lower the car.

alternatively u could just lower it anyway with stock shocks and learn to live with an everlasting rebound stroke. good luck if u hit a bump halfway round a bend :P

[MR22ZZ]

I agree the older posts are a little obscure, everyone had comments prior to installing springs but no one has made any comments about which is actually better. But didn't want to get blasted for not using search so didn't ask the question... I feel most people went for Kings because they are the cheapest but I don't trust them as they seem to kill a lot of shocks and I'm not reall confident about my shocks anyway...

From my understanding Eibachs are the best as they are designed to go with the shocks and are well tested. But they are $$$$$$. But Imek's deal looks preety good ;)...

Personally I just got some Tein S tech springs (new) for less then 1/3 price which are designed and tested for Fielder (JDM Corolla Wagon) shocks but I am assured will fit all other corollas (Tein claim they work for the ZZE123 so I'm happy) but they are yet to be installed... I'll keep you posted...

For a ZZE122 version I think Mark (MAP81) has them on his until the CUSCO's arive

[MAP81]

So Close Blue_Stivo :P I actually have the SKY60-S1B00 which are listed as as being for the ZZE123 and the ZZE122G are you getting these or the SKL56-S1B00 ? My shocks were actually leaking slightly before I put my springs in but it did not bother me as it was very minor and I was originally planning to replace the shocks eventually....But now I have Cuscos :P I have been running the teins for over a year now and cant say that the ride has degraded very much at all..... (that year has included track days and skidpan days aswell)

Oh did I mention I will have the teins for sale as of next week ;) ;) ;)

[DANZZT231]

Ummm, how do u check if its leaking? I've been riding on ghetto drop for almost 2 years now and I cannot see any leaking.

[MR22ZZ]

So Close Blue_Stivo  :P  I actually have the SKY60-S1B00 which are listed as as being for the ZZE123 and the ZZE122G  are you getting these or the SKL56-S1B00 ? My shocks were actually leaking slightly before I put my springs in but it did not bother me as it was very minor and I was originally planning to replace the shocks eventually....But now I have Cuscos :P  I have been running the teins for over a year now and cant say that the ride has degraded very much at all..... (that year has included track days and skidpan days aswell)

Oh did I mention I will have the teins for sale as of next week ;)  ;)  ;)

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I got the SKY60-S1B00

by a ZZE-122 version I just meant that you had Teins on your car Tein claim that fit across the range... Hope this helps with your sale :P

[CAP]

My car is only lowered 25mm on the Toyota Springs

Driving on my own the stock shocks work perfectly with the car settling immediately after bumps, but with 3 or 4 passengers, The stock shocks just dont work ... bounce...bounce...bounce.

[DANZZT231]

I went up to the safeway etrance in Warragul Road with one wheel up in the air, can you imagine how short my suspension travel is.

[CAP]

That driveway isn't even high !

[DANZZT231]

That driveway isn't even high !

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It's quite high, for me at least it is, have to do an angle drive in to the max, hahahaha. My friend was behind me and saw the left rear wheels went air born

[shaohaok]

That driveway isn't even high !

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It's quite high, for me at least it is, have to do an angle drive in to the max, hahahaha. My friend was behind me and saw the left rear wheels went air born

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that's coz your spring isn't quite long enough

[DANZZT231]

You bet its not :P

[MR22ZZ]

That's the advantage of progressive springs, like the Teins ;)

[DANZZT231]

well, long ago my spring was progressive

[StylinBlackRollA]

i've tried a few now, on previous cars,

wear and tear on shocks really varies on product but nothing is really designed for that unless you get custom work done.

at the moment i'm using stock shocks with superlows. its not doing too bad but really any lowered shocks are going to die off quicker than standard.

i think just stick with stock shocks because the ride is still less stiffer as if you went adjustables or coilovers. be prepared to have a hard ride. and as for manuvering over bumps if its that low... do learn... takes a few chips and oops to get it right. hehe

my last ride was 8mm off the ground at the front. hrmmm that took a bit of time to get used to.

[DANZZT231]

8mm???? that's not even 1cm man

[StylinBlackRollA]

8mm???? that's not even 1cm man

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haha my bad typo...

8cm

don't worry i got alot of flack about it by the cops. but none had a ruler... they measured by their lil notebooks. it was actually 11cm at the start after coil overs were fitted but it sat eventually at 8cm

funny thing is cops didn't even know legal height... they asked me what it was. they just said it looked too low... not the mention my orange led parker... they also asked about that. and i just told them it was standard bulb. st**pid cops..

[mick0082]

I thought I in other posts that many users have experienced little or no issue with the stock shocks if they lower 35mm or less.

Is this not the case?

I guess what I am trying to work out is if I lower on kings and then find shortly after that I have to replace the shocks I would have rathered fork out for decent coil overs to start with.

Alternateivly, if lowering on a better spring (eibachs etc) stops the need for shock replacement then obviously I would rather spend the extra money on those upfront.

I understand some people concentrate on getting the desired effect for the lowest price but i'm more concerned with having to pull the car apart and change parts all the time. I'd prefer the job to be done once and done properly.

Any input would be appreciated!