this may explain a bit better... Northy says: hey Northy says: when you did the emanage tune Northy says: you did the AFR yeh? MAP81 says: only to do fuel ecconomy cause the ignition wasnt working.... Northy says: ahh k so you didn't tune it for gains? MAP81 says: nah no point, without doing ignition... it does make gains, but that is only cause u are cleaning up the feul MAP81 says: just trying to find the sheet now Northy says: k MAP81 says: lol after going through all the **** on my desk it was under the coffe table in the lounge room Northy says: haha Northy says: was in a "safe place" MAP81 says: lol MAP81 says: yeah so it went from 81.9 to 83.5 MAP81 says: but now a/f is a steady 12.5 Northy says: woha, huge diff lol MAP81 says: instead of going from 14 down to 11.3 MAP81 says: yeah like i said does jack **** without timing